From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making Emacs more friendly to newcomers Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 18:32:55 +0300 Message-ID: <83eesigok8.fsf@gnu.org> References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87imhw431x.fsf@yahoo.com> <87mu78huhx.fsf_-_@yahoo.com> <87k12bdgx7.fsf@yahoo.com> <87a736wyed.fsf@yahoo.com> <2F7AD0CB-FF83-4244-BD77-7E0460A77762@icloud.com> <87wo6a7abj.fsf@yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="43606"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, seb@k-7.ch, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?B?7KGw7ISx67mI?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Apr 20 17:36:27 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jQYTC-000BFP-QU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:36:26 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37986 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQYTB-00049c-PA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:36:25 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35252 helo=eggs1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQYPt-0001G4-Fe for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:33:02 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49482) by eggs1p.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jQYPs-0007C0-Rv; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:33:00 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2461 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jQYPr-0001bO-G2; Mon, 20 Apr 2020 11:33:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from =?utf-8?B?7KGw7ISx67mI?= on Mon, 20 Apr 2020 22:07:55 +0900) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247395 Archived-At: > From: 조성빈 > Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2020 22:07:55 +0900 > Cc: Sébastien Gendre , > Emacs developers > > Then you can turn on ‘vanilla-mode’ on your init.el and call it a day. > ‘vanilla-mode’ will be the current situation of Emacs - it will try to > be stable. It's not that simple. Some features that are turned on cannot be easily turned off afterwards. > > And since changing the defaults radically end up hurting existing users, > > No, it doesn’t. Better defaults help users and allow them to lighten their > configuration. Experience shows that you are in disagreement with a large bulk of our users. They tend to complain loudly when they bump into some changes of defaults that they dislike, or find that behavior they were accustomed to changed too radically.