From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 13:14:12 +0300 Message-ID: <83eesdb37v.fsf@gnu.org> References: <863691n4xl.wl-me@enzu.ru> <86blno9yle.wl-me@enzu.ru> <87d0845msg.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h7xgjasw.fsf@yahoo.com> <875zdwjais.fsf@yahoo.com> <6a198677-41b6-4dbd-39d0-2b01550d53cf@yandex.ru> <32f6a2ce-e30f-059f-dcd4-233d666a10a1@yandex.ru> <87r1whiape.fsf@fastmail.fm> <87blnjopd0.fsf@nicolasgoaziou.fr> <83v9lregx0.fsf@gnu.org> <87sgguh9we.fsf@fastmail.fm> <83mu72ckjr.fsf@gnu.org> <87o8rhpeym.fsf@fastmail.fm> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="103337"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Joost Kremers Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 24 12:15:41 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jRvMz-000QlN-DT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:15:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58950 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRvMy-00044q-Eh for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:15:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50702) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRvLp-0002Ul-Bj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:14:29 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44233) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jRvLp-0003Zi-3l; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:14:29 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4338 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jRvLn-0003GE-DT; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:14:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87o8rhpeym.fsf@fastmail.fm> (message from Joost Kremers on Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:36:49 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247684 Archived-At: > From: Joost Kremers > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 08:36:49 +0200 > > > You are actually describe the strength of Emacs as an integrated > > package whose parts work well with one another. And yet we have > > separate manuals for major parts: Gnus, Org, Eshell, etc. -- > > just look > > inside doc/misc/. > > Yes, but it's a different level of integration. I need a decent > working knowledge of Elisp to be able to integrate Gnus and > Eshell. But I only need to know Org syntax in order to integrate > my TODO list, task management and writing with my calendar. The > point is, I need to know Org syntax anyway to do each single thing > separately. Integrating them doesn't require a deeper level of > knowledge than I already have. Unless I misunderstand what you mean by "Org syntax", I don't think users who want to create documents with Org should be required to know that syntax. Instead, there should be commands to help them produce correctly formatted snippets. Compare that with Texinfo commands which produce the various syntactic elements of the language.