From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Survey: Toolbars Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 20:07:26 +0200 Message-ID: <83eejhr9y9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87o8iv3ac3.fsf@gnus.org> <877dpjp30g.fsf@ucl.ac.uk> <87zh2fnmwq.fsf@gnus.org> <87o8ivumn5.fsf@telefonica.net> <87v9d3nkxk.fsf@gnus.org> <83k0t9rfj5.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="36795"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ghe@sdf.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Arthur Miller Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 22 19:09:02 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1krm5m-0009Sp-Da for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 19:09:02 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:42480 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krm5l-0005ys-Eo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 13:09:01 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44018) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krm4a-00057x-61 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 13:07:48 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34462) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1krm4Z-000654-9b; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 13:07:47 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3751 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1krm4R-0006yK-Kl; Tue, 22 Dec 2020 13:07:40 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Arthur Miller on Tue, 22 Dec 2020 18:52:48 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261518 Archived-At: > From: Arthur Miller > Cc: Gregory Heytings , rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2020 18:52:48 +0100 > > Personally I think Emacs is half-wysiwyg, or more then half by now. I > think there are almost all tools needed to implement a word processor a > lá Word already in Emacs; I think there is just some minor details > needed; like renderer that can draw efficient representation of a page > below a buffer text (a rectangle) and to tie the text editing stuff to > pixels rather then columns. I was experimenting with modelling a page in > Emacs in context of some other discussion, and that was what I found a > tad bit awkward. > > But I am bad at Elisp, and what Emacs already has, so hopefully Eli will > step in and say: "we already have this." I think most of the necessary infrastructure exists indeed. However, building a WYSIWYG word processor on top of that is not a trivial job, although probably not rocket science, either. I'd start from enriched.el and took it from there.