From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Internationalize Emacs's messages (swahili) Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 11:51:37 +0200 Message-ID: <83eejcnbdi.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87o8ivumn5.fsf@telefonica.net> <87v9d3nkxk.fsf@gnus.org> <83sg7xrgr5.fsf@gnu.org> <83h7odrdwy.fsf@gnu.org> <86sg7w39fh.fsf@163.com> <83pn30pku5.fsf@gnu.org> <86wnx8otoj.fsf@163.com> <834kkbp9vr.fsf@gnu.org> <87czyxuxw6.fsf@db48x.net> <83sg7tm2es.fsf@gnu.org> <87tus9szo9.fsf@db48x.net> <83ft3sncbi.fsf@gnu.org> <87lfdkucuw.fsf@db48x.net> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15874"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: all_but_last@163.com, bugs@gnu.support, dimech@gmx.com, abrochard@gmx.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org To: Daniel Brooks Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 26 10:53:38 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kt6GY-00042I-5T for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 10:53:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36100 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kt6GX-0005js-7w for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 04:53:37 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:44636) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kt6FI-0004te-64 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 04:52:20 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59587) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kt6FG-0004sM-Pp; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 04:52:18 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4295 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kt6Et-0002Fm-41; Sat, 26 Dec 2020 04:51:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87lfdkucuw.fsf@db48x.net> (message from Daniel Brooks on Sat, 26 Dec 2020 01:37:43 -0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261804 Archived-At: > From: Daniel Brooks > Cc: rms@gnu.org, bugs@gnu.support, dimech@gmx.com, abrochard@gmx.com, > emacs-devel@gnu.org, all_but_last@163.com > Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2020 01:37:43 -0800 > > >> The main one that I know of is Firefox, which by my count has 96 > >> translations. > > > > I didn't mean one program, I meant the total count. It should be > > indicative to how easy it is to find people who are both programmers > > and can succinctly express themselves on technical issues in their > > native languages. IME, it is very hard to find such people. > > I don't know the full count, I only know that Mozilla uses it for > Firefox as well as all of their web pages, and that most of those > translations are maintained by volunteers. Those volunteers are clearly > capable of doing the job, since there are 96 actively-maintained > translations for Firefox, which is a complex application which is hard > to translate. Being able to program for one project in that project's programming language doesn't mean the same people can do that for another project written in a different PL. That's the main disadvantage of your proposal: you require the translators to be proficient as programmers in the project's PL, not just in their language.