From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Confused by y-or-n-p Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2021 17:16:55 +0200 Message-ID: <83eeiy2izc.fsf@gnu.org> References: <834kkcr1eo.fsf@gnu.org> <43b24209-fa65-0e26-7cbd-f99175a7ffd8@gmx.at> <87wnx7j5is.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83im8qnyca.fsf@gnu.org> <83bleinmse.fsf@gnu.org> <56435592-d2d0-5fb6-977f-01e1931da835@gmx.at> <87k0t38g1z.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83czyvkts6.fsf@gnu.org> <87bleetirr.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <87y2hhri3n.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83pn2tkfg8.fsf@gnu.org> <871rf7ippu.fsf@mail.linkov.net> <83a6trg6mc.fsf@gnu.org> <87im8f951f.fsf@gnus.org> <83lfdacapo.fsf@gnu.org> <8335zgd9xu.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23208"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, larsi@gnus.org, juri@linkov.net, drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Jan 06 16:19:14 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kxAaf-0005q6-3u for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 16:19:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47848 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxAae-0001Y0-1R for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 10:19:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60342) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxAYd-00080T-S1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 10:17:09 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34040) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kxAYc-0005mp-6t; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 10:17:07 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:3700 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kxAYR-0005VC-PZ; Wed, 06 Jan 2021 10:16:56 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Wed, 06 Jan 2021 00:01:17 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:262597 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, > drew.adams@oracle.com, juri@linkov.net > Date: Wed, 06 Jan 2021 00:01:17 -0500 > > > What is the basis for your impression that such a tendency exists? > > I've pointed out the steps of the pathway. > > 1. A bug is reported. Most of us are not interested in fixing that bug > so we don't read the messages about it. > 2. People discussing it in the bug thread propose > and agree on a certain change. > 3. It happens to be a change in user interface. > 4. They implement it without ever discussing it on emacs-devel. > 5. Before we notice the change, a new release is made. > 6. Some of us object and we are told, "Because this change has been in a > release, we will not undo it (or even revert the default) unless there > are strong objections." > > How often does this happen? I don't know. Extremely rare, IME. > But why let it happen? If someone can come up with a solution that doesn't impose too heavy overhead, we should definitely consider it. None of the solutions proposed until now fulfills that requirement, so the simple solution I proposed -- to read bug-gnu-emacs in addition to emacs-devel -- still wins.