From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Date: Fri, 07 Jan 2022 14:11:54 +0200 Message-ID: <83ee5j68z9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <897ED591-43BC-4029-912A-917E5E9F6930@gmail.com> <87czlarhff.fsf@yahoo.com> <5D13C3C0-C4EB-4769-9685-25122DC9B8DC@gmail.com> <875yr2rfd1.fsf@yahoo.com> <369E183D-87EC-45AB-8352-9A780006561E@gmail.com> <87zgoeps3f.fsf@yahoo.com> <87zgoeo91m.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="31079"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Jan 07 13:25:51 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n5oJa-0007vn-Lj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2022 13:25:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36712 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n5oJY-0003Mr-TH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2022 07:25:48 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57996) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n5o64-00081x-HS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Jan 2022 07:11:55 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=58094 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n5o64-0007ir-2Y; Fri, 07 Jan 2022 07:11:52 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=OI5N1a4MhIYYdgOM1zXXRL4gf9YFlB4o/RgkofCDHxo=; b=QswiQziAkMR3 Sl5jJTd1dWs3jESRNjZ8qPH9/cNHRf6Ap2Aw9ggQ46P+2DquclbtjEhBL6e+GINwsuipzXnFHK+GX V3HFxEu4SIJp7fSsld9dx6bq7GVr9IA+aPPhv6CAJgkIgKYOFOaDuuBy+VrtJC7e0XdEMqUCSviZY aGcuhWZLu0wH8V6FR4Flk6cruICwPfpFqnwOI5cwL4Vw6A6zI1wu8KNg4a1ApkhVtMzzw5W3V5n4I BWQ6uAzVw+xgW1Lqa1242vv1AQC+WoKJFc6EBHkUmiZSBHXhGwfy5tI6Lz0rVwoy9bHEM9lkRgfyU olXCv/CLEEWFlBcFZVBkOQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3064 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n5o5r-0003by-Sv; Fri, 07 Jan 2022 07:11:52 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Jean Louis on Fri, 7 Jan 2022 13:02:42 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284415 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 13:02:42 +0300 > From: Jean Louis > Cc: Yuan Fu , Emacs developers > > However, customizations were suggested for decades and people do learn > Lisp by doing customizations. Not if by "customizations" you mean those via "M-x customize-*" commands. Those were explicitly meant to be used by people who don't want or didn't yet learn Lisp. > What you really want is plain Emacs without customizations for new > users. New users will not customize it anyway. ??? Why wouldn't new users customize Emacs? Customization is generally one of the first things I do in any new program I start using.