From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs project mission (was Re: "If you're still seeing problems, please reopen.") Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 20:18:48 +0200 Message-ID: <83d0dlxfcn.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20191118175639.08d02820@jabberwock.cb.piermont.com> <874kz0pa9y.fsf@gnus.org> <87sgmjyn60.fsf@gmx.de> <87imnezyt5.fsf@gmx.de> <835zjdz58t.fsf@gnu.org> <20191121175927.GA4836@ACM> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="197793"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: ofv@wanadoo.es, rms@gnu.org, perry@piermont.com, michael.albinus@gmx.de, dgutov@yandex.ru, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Nov 21 19:20:38 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iXr4H-000pJI-OR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 19:20:37 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:43866 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iXr4G-0005Rb-Hj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:20:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49258) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1iXr2Z-0005OB-0J for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:18:52 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:36248) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1iXr2X-0001xn-N8; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:18:49 -0500 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1890 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1iXr2M-00058e-QG; Thu, 21 Nov 2019 13:18:39 -0500 In-reply-to: <20191121175927.GA4836@ACM> (message from Alan Mackenzie on Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:59:27 +0000) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:242586 Archived-At: > Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2019 17:59:27 +0000 > Cc: rms@gnu.org, ofv@wanadoo.es, perry@piermont.com, michael.albinus@gmx.de, > dgutov@yandex.ru, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Alan Mackenzie > > > I think the idea is that most people nowadays have some kind of > > account already -- either in gmail, or in facebook, or in one of the > > other services that GitLab is capable of using instead of a GitLab > > specific registration. > > Please reconsider. I don't think the GNU project should in any way > endorse companies like Facebook or Google or Microsoft, which are no > friends of free software (except their use of free (as in beer) > software). We are not endorsing any of them when we ask our users to report bugs and contribute code. We welcome and gratefully accept any such bug reports and code contributions, and don't request those who contribute to pledge allegiance to the ideals of the GNU Project or free software in general. Exactly like becoming an official maintainer of a GNU project does not require one to agree with the goals of GNU, it only requires one to heed to the policies specified by the GNU Project. E.g., my main development machine runs MS-Windows, but that doesn't mean the GNU Project endorsed Microsoft when it appointed me, or that I somehow "betray" GNU. So I think you misunderstand the basic nature of the relationship between the GNU Project and the developers of the projects' software. > Personally, I think requiring any sort of registration to report a bug > is so inconsiderate that we just shouldn't do it. We don't require it. I said that most people will not need to register, that's all. I do understand how this could be an obstacle for those who don't already have an account, and would be much happier if this obstacle didn't exist. But saying that we somehow endorse whatever services can be used instead of registering is IMO a far cry from the reality of the GNU Project's relationship with its software developers and contributors.