From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Interactive guide for new users Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 17:04:56 +0300 Message-ID: <83d02pdb7b.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83lfhjkq0r.fsf@gnu.org> <8620B5CD-CA92-46BF-80A8-DBE7052F4CA6@gmail.com> <83d02re2uk.fsf@gnu.org> <838sdfdzxo.fsf@gnu.org> <20200912121603.bsp53vgfwj3y62in@Ergus> <831rj7dvhg.fsf@gnu.org> <20200912131802.fiowctrzc2yx4ozu@Ergus> <83y2lfcdq2.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="15705"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: ghe@sdf.org, spacibba@aol.com, casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 13 16:05:28 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kHSdE-0003xt-4Z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 16:05:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57026 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHSdD-0003QF-7b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 10:05:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34130) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHSci-000307-G6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 10:04:56 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58378) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kHSch-0002bS-3E; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 10:04:55 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2259 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kHScg-0007FV-H8; Sun, 13 Sep 2020 10:04:54 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Dmitry Gutov on Sun, 13 Sep 2020 03:01:42 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255480 Archived-At: > Cc: ghe@sdf.org, casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Sun, 13 Sep 2020 03:01:42 +0300 > > I don't see what's so complicated you see about icomplete-mode. If you > have problems when trying to use it, perhaps you should ask questions? It isn't complicated for me, I'm familiar with icomplete-mode for quite some time. I think it will be complicated and confusing for newcomers, especially if they expect a very different style of completion. Company is much closer to what they expect, I think. > To my knowledge, if we want to come close to what those other editors > show, our current best bet is icomplete-vertical (or something similar > to it) PLUS a packages that moves the minibuffer to either the center or > the top of the frame (or makes it seem live the minibuffer has been > moved, of course). Those have an annoying misfeature of causing jumps in the window above the minibuffer. Other possibilities exist, but my point is that if we want to offer a better completion to make it easier for newcomers who expect something like that, we should work on a completion style that they expect, or something very similar, and icomplete-mode isn't.