From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Date: Sun, 02 Jan 2022 13:38:24 +0200 Message-ID: <83czlae5an.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87a6geo4h8.fsf@yahoo.com> <8735m6o349.fsf@yahoo.com> <83fsq6e7er.fsf@gnu.org> <83ee5qe6dt.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="34391"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: xenodasein@tutanota.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 02 12:38:59 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n3zCU-0008kL-ST for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 12:38:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49202 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n3zCT-00042t-Ng for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 06:38:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42600) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n3zBv-0003ON-Fk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 06:38:23 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=53944 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n3zBv-0003nQ-5n; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 06:38:23 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=yti2MDVSuRTXrpQB7YtA0WQZxtgahOCHNjRyvrjXfiU=; b=DcRJXtHRfYjIQECmV8VD /6FUQHcUveq6jeDk4gXdWDAxpNVfgA4Xuk8d2mDPxioRtmMRLk5ZR9X6f40IdeSBcjTuMaIaThMqD dy2jhTuraLVy43YTzdjpmmj2Njv5iXUJJHDZ5KLzcGen5d2ZUZDoymv7DLwek/GpodjXngsYTnsBY dUmzbynJKK6qrRUM95Di7sizgRyCL/4o6qfbsgpFYLTyEryuIGpQzd0W8ebOg+Fp+BqSvz1TVW0EU XzhzdQdHP7CuBjScPVd4o58fyRhxlMGP6v8yPD7ZB6OIbfomb7fRnVoxrblcHKmzwAbkYzilwxR8e WYlLLiP9acgjZg==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4073 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n3zBv-0003G2-0j; Sun, 02 Jan 2022 06:38:23 -0500 In-Reply-To: (xenodasein@tutanota.de) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:283888 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 12:30:50 +0100 (CET) > From: xenodasein@tutanota.de > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2022-01/msg00092.html > From: Po Lu > > >> Basically Custom is an unfinished system, it's code is not easy to > >> understand, and it does not integrate with the rest of Emacs well, it > >> especially does not play well with configuring things from init.el > >> file. > > > Custom is basically a finished system, and the whole point of it is to > > make things work so that users will not have to understand it. > > > And contrary to your statements, it integrates with the rest of Emacs > > quite well.  For example, this doesn't work: > > ... > > Here, this person is "basically" saying that I am a ... and what I said > is psychotic and unreal. He disagreed with your assessment of the situation. You are reading too much into what he said, and basically see there something he didn't write at all, only how you interpreted what he wrote. When you think your opponent meant something, it is better to give him the benefit of the doubt, rather than interpret that in the worst possible sense. We are most of us here non-native English speakers talking to one another in a language that isn't our first one, so misunderstandings and suboptimal selection of words is abundant. > Then, proceeds to "refute" what I said with implying that I don't know > what "custom-set" is, which is untrue, apparent from my previous mails. "Imply that you don't know" is your interpretation. The words didn't say that. "Untrue" is your opinion, and that's the essence of your disagreement. That's why I suggested that you choose your words better in the future.