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> Date: Sun, 2 Jan 2022 12:30:50 +0100 (CET)
> From: xenodasein@tutanota.de
> Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2022-01/msg00092.html
> From: Po Lu
> 
> >> Basically Custom is an unfinished system, it's code is not easy to
> >> understand, and it does not integrate with the rest of Emacs well, it
> >> especially does not play well with configuring things from init.el
> >> file.
> 
> > Custom is basically a finished system, and the whole point of it is to
> > make things work so that users will not have to understand it.
> 
> > And contrary to your statements, it integrates with the rest of Emacs
> > quite well.  For example, this doesn't work:
> > ...
> 
> Here, this person is "basically" saying that I am a ... and what I said
> is psychotic and unreal.

He disagreed with your assessment of the situation.  You are reading
too much into what he said, and basically see there something he
didn't write at all, only how you interpreted what he wrote.

When you think your opponent meant something, it is better to give him
the benefit of the doubt, rather than interpret that in the worst
possible sense.  We are most of us here non-native English speakers
talking to one another in a language that isn't our first one, so
misunderstandings and suboptimal selection of words is abundant.

> Then, proceeds to "refute" what I said with implying that I don't know
> what "custom-set" is, which is untrue, apparent from my previous mails.

"Imply that you don't know" is your interpretation.  The words didn't
say that.  "Untrue" is your opinion, and that's the essence of your
disagreement.

That's why I suggested that you choose your words better in the
future.