From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Propose to add setup-wizard.el to ELPA Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 19:24:37 +0200 Message-ID: <83czkza4h6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <897ED591-43BC-4029-912A-917E5E9F6930@gmail.com> <87czlarhff.fsf@yahoo.com> <5D13C3C0-C4EB-4769-9685-25122DC9B8DC@gmail.com> <875yr2rfd1.fsf@yahoo.com> <369E183D-87EC-45AB-8352-9A780006561E@gmail.com> <87zgoeps3f.fsf@yahoo.com> <87zgoeo91m.fsf@yahoo.com> <83ee5j68z9.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16610"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jean Louis Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Mon Jan 10 18:26:13 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n6yQv-00048X-1c for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 18:26:13 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34386 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n6yQu-0003TT-2K for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 12:26:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42472) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n6yPY-00020J-63 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 12:24:48 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=51606 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n6yPX-0001uW-Pf; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 12:24:47 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=VPWVmsbUNfEVGeF7D0vDxZUBMEByKxdWvX1OUbjCCP4=; b=UknHbdXKCY5r FexxwIXflQrfi/4hqy1TCMBuAtIlziVjkyVDXZG91j87iypXJXo15GapxhiApBAXWvfWRzEQjEf3C Ai4TJPwHxCYyVgDAiOg6o3cKGGo6E6e171rE38XtctfsQKOLuryEnHwHzJBlouj6sr+1MxHSzYEJy urBE4OlBYowe6AsXg+8ZSimrwRKDk97wVDOfhOSglapCq0EkLEN1WdSiwqeD8BHAqjpKz4zVI2mmJ ASXYGJiS/KLh+4bSsU4p5Zy8NOyKXQ6wPNn2CSN8ExadleV2MgEYXvSi3ZI2BFbq7XrlqQpGBrAuz wLA3ZBaBxBfb9WcjOmj7XQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2557 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n6yPX-0002ub-Kf; Mon, 10 Jan 2022 12:24:47 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Jean Louis on Mon, 10 Jan 2022 07:15:56 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284540 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 07:15:56 +0300 > From: Jean Louis > Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > * Eli Zaretskii [2022-01-07 15:12]: > > > What you really want is plain Emacs without customizations for new > > > users. New users will not customize it anyway. > > > > ??? Why wouldn't new users customize Emacs? Customization is > > generally one of the first things I do in any new program I start > > using. > > You are advanced computer user. So is (almost) anyone who comes to Emacs. They are Emacs newbies, but they are not computer newbies. Please don't consider our newbies to be too dumb.