From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: contributing to Emacs Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 14:14:11 +0300 Message-ID: <83cz1q75do.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83v8fnslfz.fsf@gnu.org> <8423a35750d8d8e0437c7708f6b4d0bbdfdb7fe0.camel@yandex.ru> <6981052a75913ea435ae2adaccdaa1c66252a6df.camel@yandex.ru> <6a22f3608f37e238ffbd20d6dead86d3aa76d01e.camel@yandex.ru> <96766e99bf2618cc4290498933c6e32bc2a0f98a.camel@yandex.ru> <83o7ldpcs8.fsf@gnu.org> <3c64fe534fee45ff75c9e2c3cece8e2ee146091e.camel@yandex.ru> <87bkhdnl94.fsf@posteo.net> <183ae6c17b4d07701e76003dc72c25d8d2705611.camel@yandex.ru> <87pm5t7yu4.fsf@yahoo.com> <339b006829e123a3f6eeaffbd66f557ea837fdcd.camel@yandex.ru> <87y1kgdax7.fsf@web.de> <83o7lc91kh.fsf@gnu.org> <87leggd2cu.fsf@web.de> <83ilbk8u1k.fsf@gnu.org> <448f75fb368e4ae61dd8bd7899047602a806228a.camel@yandex.ru> <83h6r48a02.fsf@gnu.org> <83mt0v70d3.fsf@gnu.org> <03bef840fc28d46a2ffbf9c94c18a3cbf96de08f.camel@yandex.ru> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="4818"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: dsmasterson@gmail.com, arne_bab@web.de, ams@gnu.org, luangruo@yahoo.com, philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Konstantin Kharlamov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 20 13:16:06 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qBZLB-00011m-47 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 13:16:05 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qBZJM-0007pP-KQ; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 07:14:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qBZJL-0007Yr-1Z for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 07:14:11 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qBZJI-0005jK-4b; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 07:14:08 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=A+IyCFkPOgabZd+rZMhIeP8tw0IYH1QNArlHqmplqEg=; b=Pw7wqewL+Vf4Zjn5VT0Y mDA5rPtq+zDtpIgDH2yeM8DK2Yktwo7TFKljzz8mdn4wGh0tlM/ncYMZpWmM3xopasYM/zcGN7kZi 3D/LXDZLZYWhtWiPLJVhBE9122i89Cdilv9puWsacJUBxaZMVk1k/08c6a9HKdy7O3QfwiY92VeAc mCZjUgn8Go+MBYXVBHQ7WoDH/LkSxJZJuEE/oXHb+gk0fXcEj8PzklTlNbr+6CRI7BqD6q2x1K98j CbaXjeNxw/f5oWGJaubcPET52QxnozB8oK59q/me/NKiPCmwZcQJFf4r53+zsR3iXFXh37fK8g/zO /QabG3BfjwpTEQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qBZJF-00048o-Ew; Tue, 20 Jun 2023 07:14:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: <03bef840fc28d46a2ffbf9c94c18a3cbf96de08f.camel@yandex.ru> (message from Konstantin Kharlamov on Tue, 20 Jun 2023 00:29:10 +0300) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:307082 Archived-At: > From: Konstantin Kharlamov > Cc: arne_bab@web.de, ams@gnu.org, luangruo@yahoo.com, philipk@posteo.net, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 00:29:10 +0300 > > > Practical suggestions for changes that would make it easier are > > welcome, but they must not make the lives of the current developers > > significantly harder. > > For starters I would be happy if at least the section about submitting patches > was reformatted into two sections. My last email explaining that no information > will be lost in such reformat¹ was unanswered, so I don't know what is the > current state of this discussion. > > 1: https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/emacs-devel/2023-06/msg00506.html I already said I didn't think this was a good idea, and explained why I thought so. In any case, that section hardly has any bearing on the main issue at hand: how to make it easier for people to contribute. I explained that as well. I'd appreciate if this seasonal "what's wrong with Emacs contributions" discussion would either switch to discussing some innovative and useful ideas for how to make it easier for contributors, or just died if there are no such ideas yet. Reiterating the same claims and the same arguments doesn't sound like a good use of our time and bandwidth.