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From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
To: Vitalie Spinu <spinuvit@gmail.com>
Cc: Alan Mackenzie <acm@muc.de>,
	Stefan Monnier <monnier@IRO.UMontreal.CA>,
	emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Syntax tables for multiple modes [was: bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result.]
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2016 16:56:05 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83c0f91b-21ff-2514-d24a-5b6104ef012b@yandex.ru> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87lh5bevu9.fsf@gmail.com>

On 03/21/2016 04:42 PM, Vitalie Spinu wrote:

>> """
>> Instead, if you want to know what indentation an inner mode would return if
>> STRING-BEFORE was before it, insert that string into the buffer (while
>> inhibiting undo history). Call the indentation function, then remove the string.
>> """
>
> Inner mode might decide to operate on string directly, or put stuff in a temp
> buffer, work on last line only, or simply ignore it.

Yes, each major mode would have to make all of these choices.

Why burden them with that concern? Wouldn't that become a part of the 
same problem that you yourself mentioned, "teaching modes about 
multi-modes"?

> Why to hard-wire the usage
> of STRING-BEFORE so badly?

What hard-wiring?

STRING-BEFORE is not a tangible part of my proposal. There's no API 
change tied to it.

> My gut feeling is to avoid modifying buffer context in indentation engine at all
> costs.

Why? That's worked out okay for me.

Alternatively, you can create a temp buffer each time, compose pieces of 
inner mode text in it, and call the indentation function. Again, in 
multi-mode code.

> In the future, if performance with temp buffers will be a real issue, we
> can add more low level functions for fast operation on string to do some common
> parsing tasks. We can even extend parse-ppss to deal with BEFORE-STRING.

Performance is a distant concern, complexity is the immediate one. If 
modifying buffers turns out to be a problem, then we can do all the 
stuff you mention above.



  reply	other threads:[~2016-03-21 14:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 90+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]         ` <2c301ec9-041d-9172-d628-479062314b23@yandex.ru>
2016-03-14 15:16           ` Syntax tables for multiple modes [was: bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result.] Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-14 17:34             ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-14 20:06             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-19 22:51               ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-20  2:19                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-20 12:15                   ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-20 15:58                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21  1:05                       ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21  3:11                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21  5:05                           ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21  7:13                             ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-21 12:26                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 14:13                               ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:43                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 16:42                                   ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 18:31                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 19:16                                       ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 20:47                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 20:33                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2016-03-21 20:49                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 21:03                                       ` Drew Adams
2016-03-21 21:12                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 16:45                                   ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 22:55                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-22 14:51                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 18:17                                       ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23  1:18                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-23 13:18                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 18:26                                       ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23  2:07                                         ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 10:56                                           ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 11:41                                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 12:39                                               ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 13:23                                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 15:28                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-23 21:51                                                     ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-24  7:30                                               ` Andreas Röhler
2016-03-21 11:56                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21  5:08                         ` [Patch] hard-widen-limits [was Re: Syntax tables for multiple modes [was: bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result.]] Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 12:39                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 12:54                             ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:07                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 14:14                                 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:04                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 14:33                               ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:54                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 17:16                                   ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 18:36                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 19:18                                       ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-22  3:17                                         ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-22  9:57                                           ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-22 10:05                                             ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-22 11:57                                               ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 16:28                                                 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-22 16:44                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 19:36                                                     ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23  2:22                                                       ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 11:41                                                         ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-23 12:34                                                           ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-23 12:41                                                             ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-29 21:43                                                               ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-22 14:34                                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-24  7:22                                                                   ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-24  7:28                                                                     ` Achim Gratz
2016-04-24 11:33                                                                       ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-24 13:20                                                                         ` Andreas Schwab
2016-04-24 16:11                                                                           ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-24 16:19                                                                             ` Andreas Schwab
2016-04-24 16:41                                                                               ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-24 16:48                                                                                 ` Andreas Schwab
2016-04-24 18:01                                                                                   ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-24 19:05                                                                                     ` Andreas Schwab
2016-04-28 13:29                                                 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-04-30 14:06                                                   ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-22 20:08                                               ` Richard Stallman
2016-03-22 22:45                                                 ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 11:47                         ` Syntax tables for multiple modes [was: bug#22983: syntax-ppss returns wrong result.] Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 12:40                           ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 13:07                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 14:20                               ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:29                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-03-21 14:42                                   ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 14:56                                     ` Dmitry Gutov [this message]
2016-03-21 16:52                                       ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 21:30                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2016-04-03 23:34                                           ` John Wiegley
2016-03-21 14:02                             ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 14:31                               ` Vitalie Spinu
2016-03-21 15:06                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2016-03-21 17:15                                   ` Andreas Röhler

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