From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 22:21:14 +0300 Message-ID: <83bo3kk6hh.fsf@gnu.org> References: <523ED74D.4030205@online.de> <87ioxs4zc9.fsf@informatimago.com> <87k3i8vj93.fsf@yandex.ru> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1379877698 10149 80.91.229.3 (22 Sep 2013 19:21:38 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 19:21:38 +0000 (UTC) Cc: pjb@informatimago.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 22 21:21:41 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VNpDw-0004hN-K8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 21:21:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36384 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNpDw-0002gl-4F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:21:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:47887) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNpDp-0002ge-Ch for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:21:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNpDj-0005zS-RK for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:21:33 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:57898) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNpDj-0005z7-Ja for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 15:21:27 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MTJ00300KADL700@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 22:21:05 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MTJ003OEKF4KM10@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 22:21:05 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87k3i8vj93.fsf@yandex.ru> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163556 Archived-At: > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:50:00 +0300 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Is being able to adapt to obscure keybindings really how you would > measure it? What obscure keybindings? The cited text talked about cursor motion and scrolling commands; Emacs supports the usual arrow keys and PageUp/PageDown for that since about forever.