From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:32:43 +0300 Message-ID: <83bnpd5x90.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87d2ahm3nw.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <871tqneyvl.fsf@netris.org> <87zjd9swfj.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87oatnqpml.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <874mvdrj45.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20141009044917.GA19957@fencepost.gnu.org> <83lhopisfr.fsf@gnu.org> <87ppe1pldu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <8761ft5wpo.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83k349b0vj.fsf@gnu.org> <83bnph96kh.fsf@gnu.org> <87ppdwo7ll.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <543BE7CB.9040801@cs.ucla.edu> <87egubopls.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87bnpfyjaf.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87a94zoo57.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83h9z77p7d.fsf@gnu.org> <8761fnnne9.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <543D8186.9000101@cs.ucla.edu> <87mw8ym3no.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <543E0BFD.4020700@cs.ucla.edu> <878ukhn6n3.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <83fvep665h.fsf@gnu.org> <877g01murc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1413376394 15455 80.91.229.3 (15 Oct 2014 12:33:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:33:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 15 14:33:07 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XeNlD-0007AX-FZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:32:59 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:44450 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XeNlD-0002Ei-3r for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:32:59 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59890) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XeNl5-00026U-JV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:32:56 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XeNl0-0006Zd-Np for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:32:51 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:38412) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XeNl0-0006Wr-GL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:32:46 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NDH00B00JI0FR00@a-mtaout21.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:32:44 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NDH00B9PK6KE270@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:32:44 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <877g01murc.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:175403 Archived-At: > From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" > Cc: eggert@cs.ucla.edu, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:34:31 +0900 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > utf-8-emacs is a private encoding used and understood by Emacs > > alone, so encoding Emacs files in that would make them unusable > > (unsearchable, unreadable, etc.) with anything but Emacs. > > And who in the world would care? Those who use Grep etc. outside of Emacs. > My argument is that Emacs is alone in choosing this particular > "reasonable way to support encodings" What other programs you are aware of that cover such a large set of scripts and languages no matter what is the user locale? > and that makes it difficult to cooperate with other projects > ... such as Guile. My point is that those other projects need to learn from Emacs first.