From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs rewrite in a maintainable language Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:59:54 +0300 Message-ID: <83bnbvgm39.fsf@gnu.org> References: <561A19AB.5060001@cumego.com> <876126key3.fsf@gnu.org> <83fv1a6bfu.fsf@gnu.org> <87d1weo7u9.fsf@gnu.org> <83zizi3qr0.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhb1n81y.fsf@gnu.org> <83si594wt3.fsf@gnu.org> <87io64iigs.fsf@gnu.org> <87r3kso1gr.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87wpuks5ek.fsf@T420.taylan> <83vba4i1z3.fsf@gnu.org> <87pp0cqgjf.fsf@T420.taylan> <83twpoi0sp.fsf@gnu.org> <878u70qf75.fsf@T420.taylan> <83mvvghydi.fsf@gnu.org> <5623E3B5.8050407@dancol.org> <87y4f0kos9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <5623EAB2.5000008@dancol.org> <87pp0cotqd.fsf@T420.taylan> <5623F7E2.3010200@dancol.org> <87d1wbp9uv.fsf@T420.taylan> <22052.51982.9833.353851@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445252433 12352 80.91.229.3 (19 Oct 2015 11:00:33 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 11:00:33 +0000 (UTC) Cc: taylanbayirli@gmail.com, dancol@dancol.org, dak@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 19 13:00:22 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zo8Av-0005zT-P2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:00:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38217 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zo8Au-00055Z-Ry for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 07:00:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39088) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zo8AY-00054a-6O for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 06:59:59 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zo8AX-00042N-Dy for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 06:59:58 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout25.012.net.il ([80.179.55.181]:32791) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zo8AT-00041p-I0; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 06:59:53 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout25.012.net.il by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NWG00C00RL0TQ00@mtaout25.012.net.il>; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:57:31 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NWG00167RRV27C0@mtaout25.012.net.il>; Mon, 19 Oct 2015 13:57:31 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <22052.51982.9833.353851@turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:192070 Archived-At: > Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 19:50:53 +0900 > From: "Stephen J. Turnbull" > Cc: Daniel Colascione , David Kastrup , > =09emacs-devel@gnu.org >=20 > Taylan Ulrich Bay=C4=B1rl=C4=B1 =09/Kammer writes: > > I've heard bad things about both defstruct and EIEIO for differe= nt > > reasons. The fact that most Elisp code is shy of using even def= struct > > should tell us something. >=20 > It does. It tells us that RMS doesn't like abstract data types. Reality check: fgrep -Rw defstruct lisp --include=3D"*.el" | wc 172 815 12631