From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Making --with-wide-int the default Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 23:06:46 +0200 Message-ID: <83bnavc6qh.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83oag087gs.fsf@gnu.org> <83oafz70im.fsf@gnu.org> <5620AF43.4050401@cs.ucla.edu> <83k2qn6xfm.fsf@gnu.org> <5620B4FA.1000804@cs.ucla.edu> <83wptojs1r.fsf@gnu.org> <56444C66.8050506@gmx.at> <83r3jugx8g.fsf@gnu.org> <87io56nu0a.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83lha1dl87.fsf@gnu.org> <22087.29085.814201.779385@a1i15.kph.uni-mainz.de> <83h9knc96e.fsf@gnu.org> <87lh9zkmwc.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1447708775 23679 80.91.229.3 (16 Nov 2015 21:19:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 16 Nov 2015 21:19:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, ulm@gentoo.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, jwiegley@gmail.com To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Nov 16 22:19:17 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZyRBD-0002MX-1i for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 22:19:15 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49665 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZyRBC-0002Hk-FC for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 16 Nov 2015 16:19:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:35930) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zy4Vl-00026u-W1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 16:06:58 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zy4Vk-00043u-Te for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 16:06:57 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout26.012.net.il ([80.179.55.182]:34956) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zy4Vg-00043C-WC; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 16:06:53 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout26.012.net.il by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NXV00600JQK4L00@mtaout26.012.net.il>; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 23:10:00 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout26.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NXV00MY2K4NC080@mtaout26.012.net.il>; Sun, 15 Nov 2015 23:10:00 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87lh9zkmwc.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.182 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:194557 Archived-At: > From: David Kastrup > Cc: Ulrich Mueller , rudalics@gmx.at, jwiegley@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Sun, 15 Nov 2015 21:50:27 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> Date: Sat, 14 Nov 2015 18:38:37 +0100 > >> From: Ulrich Mueller > >> Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, jwiegley@gmail.com, dak@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org, > >> emacs-devel@gnu.org > >> > >> In case you want any feedback from distros, Gentoo makes the option > >> available to users as the "wide-int" use flag, and the default is off. > >> I've not seen a single complaint from users that we should change that > >> default. (So most likely the Gentoo default will stay off, regardless > >> of what you decide to do with the upstream default.) > > > > Did the option you offer mention the fact that using it enlarges the > > maximum buffer and string size to (almost) 2GB? If not, it's quite > > possible that your users simply did not realize what this option would > > give them in user-level functionality, and treated it as yet another > > obscure build feature. > > > > Also, I must say it sounds strange to me that you wait for user > > complaints before you decide that some option should be on by default. > > A performance hit by 30% and noticeable increase of memory usage are not > exactly a bargain for being able to load ridiculously large files into > an editor on a 32-bit system. > > If people had wagonloads of memory to spare, they'd be running 64-bit > systems in the first place. How is this related to what I wrote, may I ask? Ulrich never mentioned these factors, and I replied to what he wrote. > I really don't get what the clamor for wide ints on a 32 bit system is > supposed to be about. It's rather few people that you are doing an > actual favor here. Stuff like GnuTLS or libxml2 or file notifications > or image support don't bog your system down when you don't use them. > Wide ints do. Once again, how is that relevant to what I wrote in my message to Ulrich? Look, it's clear that you are against this option. You made that clear several times already; repeating it time and again doesn't add weight to your opinions. Especially when those opinions are plugged with no relation whatsoever to what I wrote.