From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Preview: portable dumper Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 10:59:04 +0200 Message-ID: <83bmwuogfb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <047a67ec-9e29-7e4e-0fb0-24c3e59b5886@dancol.org> <83zikjxt1j.fsf@gnu.org> <8360n6ruzu.fsf@gnu.org> <834m2nplmb.fsf@gnu.org> <83inr2oje6.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1480669194 15990 195.159.176.226 (2 Dec 2016 08:59:54 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2016 08:59:54 +0000 (UTC) Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: John Wiegley Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 02 09:59:45 2016 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1cCjh2-0002NN-GZ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 09:59:44 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:33253 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cCjh4-00085w-PV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 03:59:46 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:57670) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cCjgK-00085l-AS for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 03:59:01 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cCjgF-0004kM-TX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 03:59:00 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:37609) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1cCjgF-0004kI-Ox; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 03:58:55 -0500 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.246.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.246]:1242 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1cCjgE-0006hk-Vw; Fri, 02 Dec 2016 03:58:55 -0500 In-reply-to: (message from John Wiegley on Fri, 02 Dec 2016 00:08:55 -0800) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:209910 Archived-At: > From: John Wiegley > Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 02 Dec 2016 00:08:55 -0800 > > EZ> Once again, if those ideas seem strange, let alone incorrect, to you-all > EZ> out there, just say the word, and I will step down. Then I can stop > EZ> worrying about the portable dumper, and you can stop worrying about my > EZ> strange ideas. Emacs is not my private project; I'm only entitled to > EZ> promote my ideas if the others either support them or trust me to DTRT. > EZ> Please decide which one is it, and let's move on. > > Please do not step down, Eli. Please don't. It sickens my heart every time I > hear you suggest it, so just stop doing that for my sake. :) I hear you. But with all due respect, you cannot have it both ways: beg me to stay in charge, and then push me to give up one of the few firm ideas I have about where Emacs should go and how. It isn't fair. I arrived at those ideas by carefully watching Emacs development for many years. What kind of maintainer will I be if I cannot base my judgment and decisions on a few principal ideas I have about Emacs development? What could replace those ideas to be the base for decisions I need to make almost every day?