From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 08:40:49 +0300 Message-ID: <83blicj2fy.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87y2lkb6kb.fsf@gmail.com> <9A4FA038-CCFD-45DF-8B57-E348AFF951D9@gmail.com> <87sgbsb0eb.fsf@gmail.com> <87h7s6c31d.fsf@gmail.com> <87mu1xrjqw.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <48ed4897-356c-4669-a330-1fdb5d65402b@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="9154"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, ghe@sdf.org, self@gkayaalp.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, tecosaur@gmail.com To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 11 07:41:15 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGboB-0002Hb-BX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 07:41:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39914 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGboA-0000Kv-FI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 01:41:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54998) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGbni-0008M5-Ag for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 01:40:46 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47432) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGbnh-0004tf-7V; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 01:40:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3940 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kGbng-0003YZ-Nb; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 01:40:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Yuri Khan on Fri, 11 Sep 2020 02:34:47 +0700) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255094 Archived-At: > From: Yuri Khan > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 02:34:47 +0700 > Cc: Göktuğ Kayaalp , > Gregory Heytings , Yuan Fu , > TEC , Emacs developers > > On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 01:44, Drew Adams wrote: > > > > By CUA, Show/Hide should be a top-level menu named View. > > > > Really? Even for setting persistent preferences? > > I can imagine using `View' for changing something > > for the time being, but not necessarily for > > setting preferences (persistent configuration). > > Yes. In many applications, View is the place to go if you want to > toggle any optional UI parts (toolbars, sidebars, sometimes menu bar). > These toggles are usually persisted immediately. > > It would be nice if the CUA specification was available somewhere on > the Web. It doesn't really matter, because whatever any specification says, we don't blindly follow it, we treat such specifications as recommendations, and fit them to what we think is best for Emacs and the GNU Project. (Needless to say, when the current menu arrangement was discussed, we took into considerations user expectations and what other applications do with their menus.)