From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Interactive guide for new users (was: Re: Gather a list of confusions beginner tend to have) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 18:51:18 +0300 Message-ID: <83blicfh1l.fsf@gnu.org> References: <875z8ortot.fsf@gkayaalp.com> <83lfhjkq0r.fsf@gnu.org> <8620B5CD-CA92-46BF-80A8-DBE7052F4CA6@gmail.com> <32292E31-1603-4EF9-B772-EBD378C32F76@gmail.com> <83o8mcfjxb.fsf@gnu.org> <83een8fi2u.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26586"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Gregory Heytings Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 11 17:52:02 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGlLF-0006l3-Tb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 17:52:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55178 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGlLE-00024e-VL for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 11:52:00 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50824) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGlKc-0001aN-A9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 11:51:22 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41778) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGlKb-0002g3-Px; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 11:51:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2038 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kGlKa-0001T0-Nv; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 11:51:21 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Gregory Heytings on Fri, 11 Sep 2020 15:46:14 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255210 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 15:46:14 +0000 > From: Gregory Heytings > cc: casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > I wouldn't call these basics "subtleties". They are the most > > fundamental terminology in Emacs. > > They are indeed, I'm not denying this. My point of view here is: what are > the most essential things that a user needs to know to use Emacs if we > have no more than three minutes? Clearly (at least to me) it is possible > to use Emacs without knowing what a "buffer" or a "window" is. How would they even understand the doc strings without knowing what's a buffer and what's a window? We have the Glossary section in the manual, for that very reason.