From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Gitlab Migration Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 19:37:24 +0300 Message-ID: <83bl5dsh8b.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87h7fcnmq0.fsf@posteo.net> <83tujbqg4j.fsf@gnu.org> <46353190-1190-495f-b15e-22980159b3ab@yandex.ru> <83y28mp0rb.fsf@gnu.org> <51a363db-fde7-791d-cf8d-98ac601d62ee@yandex.ru> <57ca4d78-2339-201d-edce-678c9b003a99@yandex.ru> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="23614"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: philipk@posteo.net, danflscr@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, dgutov@yandex.ru To: John Yates Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 31 18:38:42 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1mL6mX-0005wg-PS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 31 Aug 2021 18:38:41 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58056 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mL6mV-0000Zh-SN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 31 Aug 2021 12:38:39 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:45126) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mL6lZ-0007X4-5n for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 31 Aug 2021 12:37:41 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44868) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mL6lX-00037M-Mw; Tue, 31 Aug 2021 12:37:39 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4577 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1mL6lQ-0002d1-9g; Tue, 31 Aug 2021 12:37:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from John Yates on Tue, 31 Aug 2021 12:21:40 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:273612 Archived-At: > From: John Yates > Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2021 12:21:40 -0400 > Cc: Richard Stallman , Eli Zaretskii , danflscr@gmail.com, > Philip Kaludercic , Stefan Monnier , > Emacs developers > > I have been using Emacs since Lucid-Emacs at Apollo > Computer in the mid-1980s. I have a massive .init file. > Still, I welcome change and evolution. Other technologies > that I use on a daily basis evolve, even those for which I > develop muscle memory (e.g. my smart phone). I accept > such change and can even acknowledge that some of it > represents progress over time. Other changes I put up > with just to track the herd and not be left behind. > > I wish that we were not so determined to proudly go it alone. Please don't exaggerate. Representing Emacs development as something that didn't change since the 1980s is factually incorrect and practically not helpful. > Any changes that can attract new blood have my vote. Everyone agrees with general principles, the disagreements begin when we consider the details. E.g., "any changes" is definitely a generalization that is not very useful in practice.