From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: src/Makefile unhelpful Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2022 19:11:12 +0300 Message-ID: <83bkrj45lr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83bkrrj48w.fsf@gnu.org> <81B26ACA-E8C3-4FAC-9BB5-A6B40C3B4A55@gentoo.org> <83fsgya2yx.fsf@gnu.org> <875yhui674.fsf@gnus.org> <8735cy5dg9.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="25042"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, larsi@gnus.org, sam@gentoo.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 13 18:13:14 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oY8XB-0006PA-O1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:13:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47160 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oY8XA-00020a-G6 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2022 12:13:12 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35598) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oY8Ve-0008KC-Bw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2022 12:11:38 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33742) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oY8Vd-0002qC-Nl; Tue, 13 Sep 2022 12:11:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=L4yzmGOgWMvmCd2o9HyBUt218rQUXDuOC4Jt54SlyLY=; b=bssP6eW4PGU3 VJXUHwFhm/6JqMXjrjHzkd4wSCTaASnKBaWXdcMykwTrLA7PJI8CP/xjBNHAI3JBNuotvFBkC05Hx Jkh72q1gLCdEWGtstvw7hB/jiFiaQJNtjwrGGWaUGQFy7MHtqxfR3mQ8ZvwJEAcAcUsstOpFhxHkn 49z0fHs5IXgvG1N0XRAKK6C+8RndIpYL/2jCrzr3JcPosZQ+kF7hU3uqR1Cp21h2wUmiZA9eWXMcY mtvYQGoldt5haL/xlb+Lu6ac/X8tLxMn1NeNExru19yWi3Z8PtyV7AgD0u/FFiu1eUGgAxQn8hIDq Ftx/Fe84fD4+yw2sqlotnw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1688 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oY8VX-0002lG-Ec; Tue, 13 Sep 2022 12:11:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Tue, 13 Sep 2022 00:07:13 -0400) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:295262 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, eliz@gnu.org, sam@gentoo.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2022 00:07:13 -0400 > > If there is a way to output a message about how to request this > feature in the make output, after the first use of a command that > hides its actual text, or the first use of each command that > hides its actual text, that will assure people see it this feature. > > etc/DEBUG and a comment at the top are good places to use also. Would the below be good enough? I looked at etc/DEBUG, but it doesn't discuss build-time problems, only how to debug Emacs that was already built. So there doesn't seem to be a good place there to mention this. diff --git a/Makefile.in b/Makefile.in index d288bac..119a96e 100644 --- a/Makefile.in +++ b/Makefile.in @@ -20,6 +20,8 @@ ### Commentary: # make all to compile and build Emacs. +# make all V=1 to compile and build Emacs with "Verbose" output -- this +# causes Make to show the full commands it is invoking. # make install to install it. # make TAGS to update tags tables. #