From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 11:06:30 +0300 Message-ID: <83bkqig4xl.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83czb1jrm3.fsf@gnu.org> <878rlo7on0.fsf@thornhill.no> <83o7uki5ol.fsf@gnu.org> <87tu4c5g9j.fsf@thornhill.no> <87k057j7gn.fsf@yahoo.com> <8D3026E9-D8A4-46EC-816B-1F7A3458DC02@gmail.com> <87czaykj2o.fsf@yahoo.com> <83fsfug75q.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0zeiysu.fsf@yahoo.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="18709"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: casouri@gmail.com, theo@thornhill.no, acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org, jostein@kjonigsen.net To: Po Lu Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 11 10:31:31 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oiAfj-0004cx-0D for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 10:31:31 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:41566 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiAfh-0007BR-Ks for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 04:31:29 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46404) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiAHZ-0006aE-CH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 04:06:37 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58318) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiAHU-0001TB-Tf; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 04:06:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=3dCApftYlbTpBFBlr8FQH4kqlCMbBJqPvieFrwHPUrI=; b=jyWbhvLiKYg7 od1mKuOwkaKRZ6Wob6nO20moSUdvKiAJbLcckrJhARWgHzW9zEYiE1x8C4w9ntMaxSbLWak9pMYu+ 0tBQlCrvoa6WATss0JdJF2ldOrNNb6QCXfdS9taJq5+upaoqUeifiUrNj/Dx9TgBXrHj4qDwwHUMH QvVBR5+dzL1akIX0PrzdHYQV62pagRK/80SSYNzECXlE4YQWs3wWD3syzIcQ894g24+zhAGwK9vby l50YQihVvFPkePDE5P/UQ44ViZdGAwK5ZumXYil+b5QPU0hP/zbBRW/7gwAcR6Wb+o7NxQn8PndRl vm3GjUqwWU7iNwUl1N6TeQ==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2483 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oiAHP-0005wE-0K; Tue, 11 Oct 2022 04:06:25 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87r0zeiysu.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Tue, 11 Oct 2022 15:50:41 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:297451 Archived-At: > From: Po Lu > Cc: casouri@gmail.com, theo@thornhill.no, acm@muc.de, > emacs-devel@gnu.org, jostein@kjonigsen.net > Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 15:50:41 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Like rendering complex scripts, for example: Emacs supports > > Arabic, but without HarfBuzz display of Arabic is illegible to Arabic > > and Farsi speakers. Does that strike you as a problem? If not, why > > not? > > English is the lingua franca of computer programmers. Yes, but Emacs is not only for editing computer programs. It is also for editing human-readable text, email exchange, writing program documentation, and other areas where support for various scripts and languages is important. Otherwise, why would we invest such a significant effort into providing and developing those features? Why did Emacs so painstakingly go from unibyte text representation to multibyte in version 20? > Arabic and Farsi are significantly more niche languages that are > generally not used in computer code at all Actually, they are: in comments and strings. Anyway, this line of reasoning is a non-starter. You are, in effect, denying the whole chunk of Emacs history and development since the late 90s. > Besides, HarfBuzz is arguably a system library. Modern GNU/Linux > systems cannot provide text display without it at all. The same will arguably happen with tree-sitter, once Emacs starts using it seriously. > > GnuTLS, at least, is no longer optional: most servers will reject > > clear-text connections. TLS is nowadays a basic requirement, AFAIU. > > > > So we already depend on external libraries for reasonable > > functioning. There's nothing new here. > > Network access is not required for "reasonable functioning" Of course, it is. > we even have builds that do not support it at all. We will also support a build without tree-sitter. It will lack important features, exactly like builds without the other optional libraries lack important features. But it will allow one to edit program source files.