From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
Cc: casouri@gmail.com, theo@thornhill.no, acm@muc.de,
emacs-devel@gnu.org, jostein@kjonigsen.net
Subject: Re: Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 11:06:30 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83bkqig4xl.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r0zeiysu.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Tue, 11 Oct 2022 15:50:41 +0800)
> From: Po Lu <luangruo@yahoo.com>
> Cc: casouri@gmail.com, theo@thornhill.no, acm@muc.de,
> emacs-devel@gnu.org, jostein@kjonigsen.net
> Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2022 15:50:41 +0800
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > Like rendering complex scripts, for example: Emacs supports
> > Arabic, but without HarfBuzz display of Arabic is illegible to Arabic
> > and Farsi speakers. Does that strike you as a problem? If not, why
> > not?
>
> English is the lingua franca of computer programmers.
Yes, but Emacs is not only for editing computer programs. It is also
for editing human-readable text, email exchange, writing program
documentation, and other areas where support for various scripts and
languages is important. Otherwise, why would we invest such a
significant effort into providing and developing those features? Why
did Emacs so painstakingly go from unibyte text representation to
multibyte in version 20?
> Arabic and Farsi are significantly more niche languages that are
> generally not used in computer code at all
Actually, they are: in comments and strings.
Anyway, this line of reasoning is a non-starter. You are, in effect,
denying the whole chunk of Emacs history and development since the
late 90s.
> Besides, HarfBuzz is arguably a system library. Modern GNU/Linux
> systems cannot provide text display without it at all.
The same will arguably happen with tree-sitter, once Emacs starts
using it seriously.
> > GnuTLS, at least, is no longer optional: most servers will reject
> > clear-text connections. TLS is nowadays a basic requirement, AFAIU.
> >
> > So we already depend on external libraries for reasonable
> > functioning. There's nothing new here.
>
> Network access is not required for "reasonable functioning"
Of course, it is.
> we even have builds that do not support it at all.
We will also support a build without tree-sitter. It will lack
important features, exactly like builds without the other optional
libraries lack important features. But it will allow one to edit
program source files.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2022-10-11 8:06 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 208+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2022-10-09 9:03 Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 9:47 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 12:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 12:41 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 14:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 15:18 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 15:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 19:25 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 21:21 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 22:03 ` Emanuel Berg
2022-10-10 6:35 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 22:39 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 4:05 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 6:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10 6:35 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10 8:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10 6:46 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 8:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10 7:08 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10 15:48 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 16:29 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10 17:16 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 17:53 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 18:04 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 6:53 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-11 7:16 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 14:08 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-09 12:26 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-09 12:27 ` Po Lu
2022-10-09 13:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 14:01 ` Po Lu
2022-10-09 14:07 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 13:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10 6:39 ` Turing on tree-sitter (was: Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes) Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10 6:46 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10 6:54 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 7:26 ` Turing on tree-sitter Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-10 8:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10 14:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-10 15:29 ` Daniel Martín
2022-10-10 16:04 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10 16:06 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 16:24 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-10 16:54 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 17:05 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10 20:56 ` Buliding with tree-sitter (Was: Turing on tree-sitter) Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-10 21:34 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-10 22:54 ` Turing on tree-sitter Daniel Martín
2022-10-10 8:19 ` Turing on tree-sitter (was: Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes) Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10 8:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10 6:59 ` Turing on tree-sitter Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-09 14:36 ` Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes Brian
2022-10-09 14:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 15:20 ` Brian
2022-10-09 15:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 16:03 ` Brian
2022-10-09 17:23 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-09 23:45 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 9:34 ` Brian
2022-10-10 10:10 ` Po Lu
2022-10-10 10:27 ` Brian
2022-10-10 15:53 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 3:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-10 6:25 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10 9:23 ` Brian
2022-10-09 20:01 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-09 20:54 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-09 21:12 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10 0:01 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 19:44 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-10-10 20:54 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-17 17:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-17 18:47 ` Alan Mackenzie
2022-10-17 22:04 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-18 13:47 ` Ketevan Lomidze
2022-10-18 3:24 ` Po Lu
2022-10-18 4:42 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-18 6:35 ` Po Lu
2022-10-18 9:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-18 10:36 ` Po Lu
2022-10-18 14:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-20 0:19 ` Po Lu
2022-10-20 1:15 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-20 6:16 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-21 19:19 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-20 6:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-18 13:53 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-19 8:03 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-10 5:55 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10 6:44 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10 8:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10 9:04 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10 9:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10 9:20 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10 9:39 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10 9:44 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 21:38 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-11 21:45 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 0:34 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11 6:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 6:41 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 6:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 7:23 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 7:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 7:41 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 8:15 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-11 9:54 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-11 9:58 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 6:58 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-11 7:13 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 18:31 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11 18:43 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 18:54 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11 18:57 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 19:01 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 19:30 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11 20:36 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 20:49 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11 21:01 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 21:44 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-12 10:58 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11 19:20 ` Philip Kaludercic
2022-10-11 19:28 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 4:43 ` Po Lu
2022-10-11 5:14 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-11 5:33 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 6:45 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 6:50 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 5:47 ` Po Lu
2022-10-11 7:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 7:50 ` Po Lu
2022-10-11 8:06 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2022-10-11 8:23 ` Po Lu
2022-10-11 8:40 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 8:51 ` Po Lu
2022-10-11 10:09 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-11 12:49 ` Visuwesh
2022-10-11 16:56 ` Daniel Martín
2022-10-11 18:18 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-11 7:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-11 7:35 ` Po Lu
2022-10-11 7:47 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 8:17 ` Po Lu
2022-10-11 8:40 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 10:46 ` Po Lu
2022-10-11 8:51 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-11 7:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2022-10-11 8:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2022-10-11 10:17 ` Daniel Martín
2022-10-11 8:43 ` Jostein Kjønigsen
2022-10-11 16:01 ` Dmitry Gutov
2022-10-11 21:14 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-11 21:49 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-11 22:00 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-11 22:49 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2022-10-12 0:41 ` Po Lu
2022-10-12 9:51 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-12 10:47 ` Po Lu
2022-10-12 5:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-12 0:26 ` Po Lu
2022-10-12 3:31 ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-12 4:27 ` Po Lu
2022-10-12 9:51 ` Stefan Kangas
2022-10-12 10:48 ` Po Lu
2022-10-11 21:29 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-10 7:34 ` Roman Rudakov
2022-10-10 7:48 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10 7:53 ` Roman Rudakov
2022-10-10 9:04 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 20:44 ` Roman Rudakov
2022-10-11 21:00 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 21:52 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-10 15:28 ` TypeScript support for tree-sitter (was Re: Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes) Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-10 16:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-10 16:43 ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2022-10-10 17:07 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-10 17:48 ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2022-10-10 18:04 ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2022-10-10 18:53 ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2022-10-11 20:07 ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2022-10-11 20:22 ` Theodor Thornhill via Emacs development discussions.
2022-10-12 6:51 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-12 7:11 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 8:25 ` Po Lu
2022-10-11 8:42 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-11 13:26 ` Stefan Monnier
2022-10-11 13:48 ` Theodor Thornhill
-- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2022-10-11 23:14 Call for volunteers: add tree-sitter support to major modes João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-12 5:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-12 15:09 ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-12 15:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-21 16:47 ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-21 23:45 ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-22 1:52 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-22 3:42 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-22 6:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2022-10-22 15:51 ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-24 4:20 ` Yuan Fu
2022-10-24 15:41 ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-24 15:46 ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-24 6:23 ` Theodor Thornhill
2022-10-24 15:44 ` João Paulo Labegalini de Carvalho
2022-10-24 16:00 ` Theodor Thornhill
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