From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com>
Cc: hi-angel@yandex.ru, arne_bab@web.de, ams@gnu.org,
luangruo@yahoo.com, philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: contributing to Emacs
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2023 14:20:14 +0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83bkha753l.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR03MB5455285423CC00769511FDB9A25FA@SJ0PR03MB5455.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> (message from David Masterson on Mon, 19 Jun 2023 15:47:05 -0700)
> From: David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com>
> Cc: hi-angel@yandex.ru, arne_bab@web.de, ams@gnu.org, luangruo@yahoo.com,
> philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2023 15:47:05 -0700
>
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> >> From: David Masterson <dsmasterson@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> Would you say that Emacs still has development practices from the
> >> 80s/90s that, given the chance and newer toolsets, you could see being
> >> done differently and better?
> >
> > What are "development practices from the 80s/90s"?
>
> I'm not a developer of Emacs -- I've kibitzed around in it off and on
> for 40+ years. In the 80s, there was reliance on email/news for comms
> (there wasn't much else available). It worked good, but things got
> misplaced once in awhile because of the disconnect between email & news.
If this is about problems between email and news, then I don't think
it's relevant anymore, since hardly anyone here uses news anymore for
submitting changes and discussing them.
If I misunderstood, and "development practices from the 80s/90s"
something else, please elaborate.
> > Practical suggestions for changes that would make it easier are
> > welcome, but they must not make the lives of the current developers
> > significantly harder.
>
> This is what I thought. You, as a current developer, should be
> commenting on suggestions from the standpoint of "will it make my life
> harder?" (with a grain of flexibility).
That's one consideration, yes. The other is what are the advantages
of the suggested changes. Their balance is what drives the final
decisions.
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2023-06-16 11:20 Android port of Emacs Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-16 13:03 ` Po Lu
2023-06-16 13:17 ` Po Lu
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2023-06-16 15:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-16 16:34 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-16 19:34 ` Bob Rogers
2023-06-16 23:46 ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 2:10 ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-17 0:49 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-17 6:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17 9:28 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-17 13:34 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-17 16:47 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-17 18:11 ` contributing to Emacs Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-17 18:36 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-17 19:39 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-17 21:00 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-17 21:10 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-17 21:19 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-17 21:26 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-17 22:25 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-17 22:39 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 5:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 8:53 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 9:01 ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 9:23 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 9:25 ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 10:04 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 10:07 ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 9:57 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-18 9:01 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 9:06 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 9:21 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 12:00 ` Michael Albinus
2023-06-18 13:29 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2023-06-18 22:46 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-19 2:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 9:18 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 9:35 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 21:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-18 10:00 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-06-18 10:15 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 10:22 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-06-23 6:49 ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-24 15:37 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-06-25 7:40 ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-25 11:32 ` Setting 'vc-default-patch-addressee' in .dir-locals.el Philip Kaludercic
2023-06-18 12:13 ` contributing to Emacs Po Lu
2023-06-18 12:26 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 13:43 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-18 14:57 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 16:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 18:52 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 19:10 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-18 19:11 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 20:10 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-19 2:24 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-19 6:05 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-19 18:07 ` David Masterson
2023-06-19 18:50 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-19 21:29 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-19 22:49 ` David Masterson
2023-06-20 11:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-20 15:45 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-20 16:14 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-20 16:32 ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-06-20 16:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-20 19:49 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-24 1:44 ` Björn Bidar
2023-06-24 3:10 ` Po Lu
2023-06-24 7:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-24 7:54 ` Michael Albinus
2023-06-25 2:25 ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-25 16:41 ` Corwin Brust
2023-06-25 23:31 ` Björn Bidar
2023-06-26 16:47 ` Ian Kelling
2023-06-27 11:08 ` Yuchen Pei
2023-06-27 13:52 ` Corwin Brust
2023-06-28 4:33 ` Björn Bidar
2023-06-29 3:03 ` Richard Stallman
2023-07-03 2:32 ` Björn Bidar
2023-07-03 4:25 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-07-05 2:07 ` Richard Stallman
2023-07-04 1:58 ` Richard Stallman
2023-07-05 13:19 ` Yuchen Pei
2023-07-09 2:53 ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-27 1:05 ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-28 2:18 ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-20 16:24 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-20 16:33 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-19 22:47 ` David Masterson
2023-06-20 1:17 ` Po Lu
2023-06-20 2:24 ` David Masterson
2023-06-20 7:01 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-21 0:51 ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-21 4:13 ` Po Lu
2023-06-21 4:23 ` David Masterson
2023-06-23 1:47 ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-23 2:28 ` Po Lu
2023-06-25 2:25 ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-20 11:20 ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-06-18 8:34 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-18 8:58 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 0:50 ` Po Lu
2023-06-20 2:55 ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-20 3:39 ` Po Lu
2023-06-21 9:20 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-22 1:56 ` Richard Stallman
2023-06-22 2:23 ` Po Lu
2023-06-22 7:47 ` Philip Kaludercic
2023-06-22 7:59 ` Po Lu
2023-06-22 8:38 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-20 11:30 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17 21:44 ` chad
2023-06-18 9:26 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 10:05 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 10:30 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 10:52 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 11:00 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 10:57 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 8:59 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 9:30 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 9:34 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 9:56 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 10:02 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 10:13 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 10:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 10:27 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 10:36 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 10:44 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 10:59 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 11:14 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 11:32 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 11:54 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 12:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 12:24 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 15:20 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 10:54 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 11:11 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 12:10 ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 12:28 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 12:51 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 13:02 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 13:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 13:32 ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 13:50 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 10:12 ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 10:22 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 12:09 ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 12:30 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 13:29 ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 13:55 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 12:33 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-18 13:30 ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 13:57 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-23 6:51 ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-23 7:06 ` Po Lu
2023-06-23 7:14 ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-23 7:17 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-24 7:21 ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-24 7:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-24 12:36 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-24 14:44 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-24 16:17 ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-06-24 17:13 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-25 7:39 ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-18 9:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 10:19 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 10:31 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 10:50 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-18 11:29 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-16 15:49 ` Android port of Emacs Thomas Fitzsimmons
2023-06-16 16:28 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-16 23:45 ` Po Lu
2023-06-16 21:19 ` chad
2023-06-17 0:11 ` Po Lu
2023-06-17 6:18 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17 6:38 ` Po Lu
2023-06-17 6:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17 7:08 ` Po Lu
2023-06-17 7:27 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17 7:41 ` Po Lu
2023-06-17 8:47 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17 9:36 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
2023-06-17 9:57 ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 7:33 ` Sean Whitton
2023-06-30 22:09 ` Stefan Monnier via Emacs development discussions.
2023-06-17 6:00 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17 6:57 ` Po Lu
2023-06-17 7:10 ` Po Lu
2023-06-17 7:21 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17 7:33 ` Po Lu
2023-06-17 7:54 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-17 8:02 ` Po Lu
2023-06-17 8:43 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-17 16:47 ` Alfred M. Szmidt
2023-06-18 0:36 ` Po Lu
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2023-06-19 8:22 ` Po Lu
2023-06-19 16:42 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-19 17:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-06-18 1:10 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-06-18 1:24 ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 2:07 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-06-20 13:29 ` Po Lu
2023-06-22 22:49 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-23 0:22 ` Po Lu
2023-06-23 7:37 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-23 8:52 ` Po Lu
2023-06-26 15:18 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-27 0:39 ` Po Lu
2023-07-01 14:13 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-06-24 12:17 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-06-24 13:01 ` Po Lu
2023-06-24 13:57 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-06-25 0:07 ` Po Lu
2023-06-25 2:02 ` Óscar Fuentes
2023-06-25 4:04 ` Po Lu
2023-07-01 19:02 ` Spencer Baugh
2023-07-02 5:09 ` Po Lu
2023-07-02 12:50 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-07-02 12:59 ` Po Lu
2023-07-02 13:15 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-07-13 13:54 ` Gregory Heytings
2023-07-13 23:56 ` Po Lu
2023-07-02 13:16 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-07-02 15:45 ` Spencer Baugh
2023-07-02 16:29 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2023-07-02 18:48 ` Spencer Baugh
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2023-07-11 20:53 ` Bryce
2023-07-02 9:31 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-07-02 11:29 ` Po Lu
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2023-07-02 15:26 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-07-03 0:03 ` Po Lu
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2023-06-26 6:11 ` Takesi Ayanokoji
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2023-06-18 3:05 ` Po Lu
2023-06-18 22:35 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2023-06-19 12:04 ` Dmitry Gutov
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2023-06-25 5:10 ` Jean Louis
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2023-06-30 4:57 ` Jean Louis
2023-06-30 5:12 ` Po Lu
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2023-06-23 12:33 ` Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide
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2023-06-25 2:25 ` Richard Stallman
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