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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org>
Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, angelo.g0@libero.it,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Android port
Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2023 20:44:00 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83bkfkoylb.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5837029.DyV9NtORJm@nimes> (message from Bruno Haible on Sun, 06 Aug 2023 17:46:27 +0200)

> From: Bruno Haible <bruno@clisp.org>
> Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, eggert@cs.ucla.edu, angelo.g0@libero.it, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 06 Aug 2023 17:46:27 +0200
> 
> Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > > Will you typically want to
> > >   - review all format strings in Emacs, to see whether they are affected?
> > >   - add some note to Emacs-internal coding guidelines, e.g. to the effect
> > >     that %b should not be used?
> > >   - review the mingw-specific *printf override, to see whether it
> > >     needs a workaround (in case b) or an extension (in case c)?
> > >   - or do nothing at all?
> > 
> > Some mix of the above, depending on the case.  But only for the MinGW
> > build.
> 
> OK. How do you reliably get notified about the relevant changes?

By watching the Gnulib updates and new Gnulib modules that get
imported and compiled into libgnu.a.

> If you look at gnulib/ChangeLog and search for "mingw" or "Windows"
> you will spot some of the relevant changes.

Thanks for the pointer.

> For more reliability, I would save the generated config.cache from a mingw
> build somewhere, and compare the config.cache of newer builds with the
> saved one.

I do that as well, when I suspect some change could cause a
difference.

> In case
> > >   (b) because a bug has been discovered on mingw
> 
> Gnulib might stuff the new configure test into an existing AC_RUN_IFELSE
> invocation and thus reuse an existing gl_cv_* variable. (Not for *printf,
> but for other modules.) Say, gl_cv_foobar_works meant the absence of
> bugs P and Q, and now it means the absence of bugs P, Q, and R. When
> the override gl_cv_foobar_works=yes was added, it meant "our nt code
> has workarounds for P and Q". Thus, you won't be alerted that you need
> to add a workaround for R or remove the override gl_cv_foobar_works=yes.

The foobar function (or its emulation) needs to do its job on
MS-Windows well enough for us to set gl_cv_foobar_works=yes.  If it
doesn't, and Gnulib discovers that first (unlikely, but possible), we
will have to pick that up in some way, either by watching Gnulib
updates, or via user complaints, or in some other way.

Luckily, this happens very rarely, IME, at least as far as things
related to Emacs on Windows are concerned.

> If you were to build the corresponding gnulib tests as part of the Emacs
> build (gnulib-tool option '--with-tests'), then we would have added a unit
> test against bug R, and this test would fail, thus alerting you that
> you need to do something.

Emacs doesn't (yet) have a facility to run Gnulib tests.



  reply	other threads:[~2023-08-06 17:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 205+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-08-04  7:42 Android port Angelo Graziosi
2023-08-04  7:54 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-04  9:45   ` Po Lu
2023-08-04 10:40     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-04 12:12       ` Po Lu
2023-08-04 12:59         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-04 13:23           ` Po Lu
2023-08-04 14:00             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-05  0:48               ` Po Lu
2023-08-05  6:39                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-05  7:00                   ` Po Lu
2023-08-05  8:39                     ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-08-05  9:15                       ` Po Lu
2023-08-05 10:04                   ` Bruno Haible
2023-08-05 11:05                     ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-08-05 11:20                       ` Bruno Haible
2023-08-05 12:06                         ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-08-05 12:12                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-05 12:16                           ` Po Lu
2023-08-05 12:31                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-05 12:35                               ` Po Lu
2023-08-05 12:42                                 ` Po Lu
2023-08-05 12:25                           ` Bruno Haible
2023-08-05 12:42                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-05 12:47                               ` Bruno Haible
2023-08-05 13:00                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-05 13:13                                   ` Po Lu
2023-08-05 15:26                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-05 15:35                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-05 23:37                                         ` Po Lu
2023-08-06  5:00                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06  5:07                                             ` Po Lu
2023-08-06  5:24                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06  8:48                                                 ` Paul Eggert
2023-08-06  8:58                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06  9:24                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-08-06  9:35                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06  9:41                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-08-06  9:44                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06  9:54                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-08-06 10:00                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06 10:10                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-08-06 10:40                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06 11:02                                                                   ` Bruno Haible
2023-08-06 11:56                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06 12:30                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-08-06 12:42                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06 14:40                                                                       ` Bruno Haible
2023-08-06 15:09                                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06 15:46                                                                           ` Bruno Haible
2023-08-06 17:44                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2023-08-06 18:54                                                                               ` Bruno Haible
2023-08-06 19:14                                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06 13:05                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06 13:12                                                                   ` Bruno Haible
2023-08-06 13:18                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06 13:41                                                                       ` Po Lu
2023-08-06 15:09                                                                         ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-08-06 15:35                                                                           ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-08-06 15:44                                                                             ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-08-06 17:36                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06 18:11                                                                                 ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-08-06 18:19                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06 18:34                                                                                     ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-08-06 18:53                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06 20:26                                                                                         ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-08-07  2:26                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-07  7:20                                                                                             ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-08-07  7:22                                                                                               ` Po Lu
2023-08-07  8:19                                                                                                 ` Corwin Brust
2023-08-07  8:44                                                                                                   ` Po Lu
2023-08-07 11:11                                                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-07 11:22                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-07 12:03                                                                                                 ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-08-07 15:48                                                                                                   ` Corwin Brust
2023-08-06 15:39                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06 15:48                                                                             ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-08-06 10:41                                                       ` Bruno Haible
2023-08-06 11:07                                                         ` Manuel Giraud via Emacs development discussions.
2023-08-06 11:39                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06 12:47                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-08-06 16:21                                                             ` Paul Eggert
2023-08-06 12:16                                                         ` Po Lu
2023-08-06 12:23                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06  9:39                                                     ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-08-06  9:43                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06 10:33                                                   ` Bruno Haible
2023-08-06 12:20                                                     ` Po Lu
2023-08-06 12:26                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06 12:33                                                         ` Po Lu
2023-08-06 12:43                                                         ` Bruno Haible
2023-08-06 12:51                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-08-06 13:13                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06 13:07                                                           ` Bruno Haible
2023-08-06 18:10                                                             ` Paul Eggert
2023-08-06 18:15                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06 17:44                                                       ` Paul Eggert
2023-08-06 17:51                                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-06 23:55                                                           ` Po Lu
2023-08-07  0:49                                                             ` Po Lu
2023-08-07 11:19                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-07 12:03                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-07 14:47                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-04  9:44 ` Po Lu
2023-08-04 10:34   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-04 12:02     ` Po Lu
2023-08-04 12:58       ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-08-04 13:17         ` Po Lu
2023-08-04 13:37           ` Corwin Brust
2023-08-05  3:24             ` Corwin Brust
2023-08-05  6:46               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-05  7:11                 ` Corwin Brust
2023-08-04 13:48           ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-08-04 14:09           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-05  1:04             ` Po Lu
2023-08-05  6:41               ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-04 10:53   ` Angelo Graziosi
     [not found] <87pm43a1jp.fsf.ref@yahoo.com>
2023-08-04  4:12 ` Po Lu
2023-08-04  6:27   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-08-04  6:37     ` Po Lu
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2023-02-18  8:35 Angelo Graziosi
2023-02-18  8:42 ` Po Lu
2023-02-18 21:58   ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-02-19  2:13     ` Po Lu
2023-02-19  9:01       ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-02-19  9:24         ` Dov Grobgeld
2023-02-19 10:17           ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-19 10:55             ` Po Lu
2023-02-19 11:49               ` Michael Albinus
2023-02-19 10:55           ` Po Lu
2023-02-19 11:11             ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-02-19 11:24               ` Peter Oliver
2023-02-19 12:01                 ` Po Lu
2023-02-19 10:40         ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-02-19 10:53         ` Po Lu
2023-02-19 11:19           ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-02-19 11:59             ` Po Lu
2023-02-19 17:10               ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-02-20  2:39                 ` Po Lu
2023-02-20 17:05                   ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-02-21  2:28                     ` Po Lu
2023-02-21 17:39                       ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-02-21 17:51                         ` Jonathan Kenyon
2023-02-21 18:24                           ` Jonathan Kenyon
2023-02-21 18:48                             ` Simon Pugnet
2023-02-22  2:33                               ` Po Lu
2023-02-22  3:21                                 ` Jonathan Kenyon
2023-02-22  3:35                                   ` Po Lu
2023-02-22 14:11                                     ` Po Lu
2023-02-22 15:16                                       ` Simon Pugnet
2023-02-22 16:01                                       ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-02-23 14:47                                       ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-02-24  0:56                                         ` Po Lu
2023-02-24  1:01                                         ` Po Lu
2023-02-24 17:49                                           ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-02-22  2:31                           ` Po Lu
2023-02-22  2:30                         ` Po Lu
2023-02-22  8:04                           ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-02-22  8:31                           ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-03-05 22:03                         ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-03-05 23:57                           ` Po Lu
2023-03-07 15:47                             ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-03-07 23:58                               ` Po Lu
2023-03-08 16:12                                 ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-03-09  1:22                                   ` Po Lu
2023-03-09 16:38                                     ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-07-17  8:21                                     ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-07-17  8:30                                       ` Po Lu
2023-08-31  5:51                                         ` Jean Louis
2023-08-31 10:27                                           ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-07-17  8:40                                       ` Takesi Ayanokoji
2023-07-18  7:31                                         ` Angelo Graziosi
2023-07-18  7:41                                           ` Po Lu
2023-02-19 11:30       ` Peter Oliver
2023-02-18 18:12 ` Jean Louis
2023-02-19  8:31   ` Po Lu
     [not found] <87ttzkmrw1.fsf.ref@yahoo.com>
2023-02-17 11:51 ` Po Lu
2023-02-17 12:26   ` Eric S Fraga
2023-02-17 12:56   ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-02-17 13:05     ` Po Lu
2023-02-17 13:21       ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-02-19 11:17     ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-02-19 12:21       ` Po Lu
2023-02-19 14:16         ` Po Lu
2023-02-19 14:40           ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-02-19 15:13             ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-02-20  2:37               ` Po Lu
2023-02-20 15:33                 ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-02-20 15:46                   ` Po Lu
2023-02-20 16:05                     ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-02-19 14:42         ` Arsen Arsenović
2023-02-17 13:50   ` tomas
2023-02-21 13:41   ` Po Lu
2023-03-10 20:07   ` Etienne Prud'homme
2023-03-10 23:50     ` Po Lu
     [not found] <87bkmv6z36.fsf.ref@yahoo.com>
2023-01-19  2:24 ` gnulib fsusage Po Lu
2023-01-19  6:44   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-19 10:11     ` Po Lu
2023-01-19 10:26       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-19 11:59         ` Po Lu
2023-01-19 13:33           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-19 13:40             ` Po Lu
2023-01-19 14:27               ` Android port (was: gnulib fsusage) Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-19 14:34                 ` Android port Po Lu
2023-01-19 14:56                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-20  0:18                     ` Po Lu
2023-01-20  7:09                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-20  9:39                         ` Po Lu
2023-01-25 10:48                         ` Po Lu
2023-01-26  8:59                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-20  6:47                 ` Android port (was: gnulib fsusage) Jean Louis
2023-01-20  7:19                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-28  7:50                     ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-01-28  8:49                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-28  9:06                         ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-01-28  9:21                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-01-28  9:31                             ` Konstantin Kharlamov
2023-01-28  9:59                               ` Android port Po Lu
2023-01-28  9:57                       ` Po Lu
2023-01-28 10:23                         ` Konstantin Kharlamov

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