From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Lisp files that load cl-lib in problematical ways Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 14:30:19 +0300 Message-ID: <83bkcomf5g.fsf@gnu.org> References: <835y38qvlg.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkcx6eci.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83ttqnm4ti.fsf@gnu.org> <83lebyu5yx.fsf@gnu.org> <4684f43123d7dee59461@heytings.org> <835y2xo1a5.fsf@gnu.org> <4684f4312391906f6101@heytings.org> <831qdlo084.fsf@gnu.org> <83msw8n43r.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="19680"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: gregory@heytings.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Oct 24 13:30:53 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1qvFcb-0004xQ-4C for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 13:30:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvFcC-0008Qy-S3; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 07:30:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvFcB-0008Qj-Ok for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 07:30:27 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qvFcB-00031I-FT; Tue, 24 Oct 2023 07:30:27 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=c/eyFTIBzLL2bSEy4BeEil/4reziJzSbaTdHVtCL9jE=; b=eEixLW1f9TYR ARMKvX33D9YVKF/ujdj40g21oCArcG2CESngT7Sb6bgWKrYGADIho6Qb7B1loWlO4Fx0sKOUFWzsn /ofu1QOcILZQ7yw0yN7PreyNOrrygEFq5iUAkRuCIPrJV9yUhD0IwJchfwziYRQK7xeNQb379AsDp ELUkYStBvpVx1WttO8kOOtiy0fpebjc+mJCgu7aF+oJZq+y9ZSopw0Sdmr1s8LDivbXftsefvZJI8 F2ovFzmJcfQFsX4czrjGsY7ceu1/cZItcFf9F8vPdXPw0RLAUWkldC3qmqP31C1BSG39cepyddeAK t/tca32qDJaf62L7VOoV6A==; In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Tue, 24 Oct 2023 01:35:21 -0700) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:311774 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2023 01:35:21 -0700 > Cc: gregory@heytings.org, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Introduction of symbols that are not needed. > > Sure, but that's rather subjective. No, it's completely objective: we add symbols to obarray that don't need to be there. > One could also argue that it is a good thing to have certain symbols > available immediately, for example because they are typically > needed. We have autoloading to take care of that.