From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 15:57:21 +0200 Message-ID: <83bkc0wfy6.fsf@gnu.org> References: <871qd8sfdx.fsf@posteo.net> <838r7g8pys.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkcbrgnr.fsf@posteo.net> <25924.21015.19614.951576@orion.rgrjr.com> <87bkc4jpja.fsf@dataswamp.org> <12da6bcb-1818-7fbe-12af-8d4607724332@gutov.dev> <83sf5fyx60.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7g3ynjp.fsf@gnu.org> <87h6lvhrme.fsf@dataswamp.org> <83jzqrylte.fsf@gnu.org> <87edgwigg3.fsf@dataswamp.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39314"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Emanuel Berg Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Nov 11 14:58:03 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r1oUr-000A1B-KI for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 14:58:01 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1oUR-0001Re-Ca; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 08:57:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1oUM-0001RM-Ex for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 08:57:31 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r1oUL-0004Dk-EY; Sat, 11 Nov 2023 08:57:29 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=PAuVBN1tP6UgB3So7hNthWtEPiVR8VS+rUSI+N/YvWM=; b=pnWpWOGv+g58 oYBMJY7KNmZfGfFri2PejLkTjOqRwFCFm7ErHC6/PayUZHJnU1d1F3oG/OZzDo0iyM4Qg0VLXp1hq gCkTbOwwfGtQk7b90gU/WAduaL4w49xwjXoffwvCowBT7dY8AYnQLJ2L952OBuraCi8xWi5gQrV7z cCIhcJ7IOx0blIVVXfDFEaZ2FWKaL5l170koTOcTrzaMMf8Cdq3/8GMqGwVBiQhIDFyrNrwtOaxGV 0OeKAbrGwFoFjMpE7uL9vHtpfNPnx7DBaENTmVYDW9T3yKTjy4wheutDEiYXU2uD3wcSZA+vcEZV4 /vF1ZyCIrbKhu2LWn3TBEQ==; In-Reply-To: <87edgwigg3.fsf@dataswamp.org> (message from Emanuel Berg on Sat, 11 Nov 2023 14:10:20 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312569 Archived-At: > From: Emanuel Berg > Date: Sat, 11 Nov 2023 14:10:20 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > This is a volunteer-based project, so we have no way of > > "distributing the maintenance effort", unless people > > volunteer to do it. In particular, for absolute majority of > > the Emacs code, the people who wrote the code are no longer > > on board. That's the reality. > > > > If you mean that the authors who are still here should be > > asked to take care of their code, then this is already being > > done, always, and cannot be done to any higher degree. > > Yes, I understand, but we can still just hand out files to > people, "now you are maintaining this file". That person will > have to agree, of course. In the real world, where I live, this is also unbecoming, and thus practically impossible. Good luck leading a volunteer project with these ideas!