From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Instead of pcase Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 21:49:43 +0200 Message-ID: <83bkbpjzfs.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87fs15kkk1.fsf@yahoo.com> <874jhi3qx3.fsf@web.de> <83y1etkiuq.fsf@gnu.org> <6f376b44-0d57-0398-b494-a4cfdfa6d38c@gutov.dev> <83o7fpkd7g.fsf@gnu.org> <83leatkc6b.fsf@gnu.org> <83edglk345.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16487"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, luangruo@yahoo.com, jporterbugs@gmail.com, rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 19 20:50:56 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r4nol-00045R-VV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 20:50:56 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r4no1-00043y-4J; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 14:50:09 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r4nnz-00043T-D5 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 14:50:07 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r4nny-0005Om-NY; Sun, 19 Nov 2023 14:50:06 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=8CIgUFQHsMAvsRPcExV/JMEgOSbql4AkkRbjcwJVgz8=; b=HzDvteiT7KUq stilq1nTIHkiXOkVQ5MYz88tEa08l7SFyDXuGCKSfa0QD5JZiGhhLyWk5nUKbZJ38rtAIriMM3Ts0 N9nAKy6Z20XRUW9MKHhPfBloNFZYw1ndRvcxrFvSRi4m+DXSIBzGH6iQYFpdtS4sxB8rmOpcZxxQm YHyE3WDxVY7CvcmwvecyFIteWGGMImable7gp7FAG0l1Xmyi8v1KYRiQWc2dOtTho/weDyfWfb9NY RyW5lVtUNeewTHqkGD1bXd/H7u6WDSt5majeOCYd5CunA4btWoJZJgqhF8+WC/zDs1X05DRP0ZELq AXQA8q1UD45RV+vsxhY+Cw==; In-Reply-To: (message from Dmitry Gutov on Sun, 19 Nov 2023 20:51:37 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:313016 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 19 Nov 2023 20:51:37 +0200 > Cc: michael_heerdegen@web.de, luangruo@yahoo.com, jporterbugs@gmail.com, > rms@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > > >> Perhaps you'll consider posting a message supporting both positions, then. > > > > I don't understand what you mean by "supporting both positions". How > > is it possible for a person to support two opposite positions? > > For example: > > I understand you guys and you guys, but we're not going to do any > major changes (for the usual compatibility reasons, for example), > though we would consider some minor improvements if either of you > can suggest any. How is this "supporting both positions"? which "both positions"? Also, to which changes does the above allude? > >>>>>> OTOH, enacting a ban on particular abstractions will just about > >>>>>> guarantee that certain kinds of features will not be implemented. > >>>>> That's a strawman: no one of those who set policies here suggested any > >>>>> bans. One should be able to post opinions for and against certain > >>>>> coding styles without being accuse in mortal sins. > >>>> > >>>> No one is arguing about whether people are allowed to post opinions. > >>>> > >>>> There have been a few calls for working toward dropping pcase or cl-lib > >>>> from the Emacs core, however. > >>> > >>> You need to know to whom you listen, before you make such far-reaching > >>> conclusions. > >> > >> I don't think I've made any specific conclusion (or any predictions). > > > > So your reference to "enacting a ban" is not a conclusion? Then why > > are you condemning something about which you still didn't reach any > > specific conclusions? > > I haven't made any predictions or conclusions as to whether a ban is > forthcoming. That's not how the above reads.