From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Default behaviour of RET. Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 05:38:47 +0300 Message-ID: <83a9i3l554.fsf@gnu.org> References: <525EDC50.8010401@gmx.at> <20131016192642.GD3125@acm.acm> <87mwm8g61e.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <20131018170320.GC2569@acm.acm> <20131018204551.GC3012@acm.acm> <20131019105836.GA2991@acm.acm> <762fa4a6-1a42-48b2-97ba-0f3ab7ef7ba5@default> <20131020145513.GC3484@acm.acm> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1382323130 17720 80.91.229.3 (21 Oct 2013 02:38:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 21 Oct 2013 02:38:50 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, rudalics@gmx.at, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, stephen@xemacs.org, drew.adams@oracle.com To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Oct 21 04:38:53 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VY5OP-0000EO-9h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 04:38:53 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:38068 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VY5OO-0006DU-RH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 22:38:52 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:58853) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VY5OH-0006DL-Rn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 22:38:50 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VY5OD-0007wf-K0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 22:38:45 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]:56424) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VY5OD-0007w1-CS; Sun, 20 Oct 2013 22:38:41 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MUZ00I00Z4DW200@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 05:38:39 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MUZ00I0OZCCT190@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Mon, 21 Oct 2013 05:38:39 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.175 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:164403 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 18:26:31 -0400 > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, stephen@xemacs.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, > drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > I don't think the default behavior of RET should be changed, even in > programming modes. We have two commands, RET and C-j, which insert a newline. > C-j indents, and RET doesn't. The days when keyboards had an LFD key that produced C-j are long gone. Nowadays, keyboards have only the RET key, and users expect it to indent in programming modes, at least by default. As things are now, I need to customize every programming mode I use to do that. I think it's time for a change.