From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:50:01 +0200 Message-ID: <83a9daug6e.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87y50z90pd.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87txbn8r6x.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8338j717oe.fsf@gnu.org> <87zjlf6tdx.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83sir7yue7.fsf@gnu.org> <8761o3dlak.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83bnxuzyl4.fsf@gnu.org> <871tyqes5q.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87a9ddg7o8.fsf@engster.org> <87d2i9ee8t.fsf@engster.org> <874n3ke1qn.fsf@engster.org> <87vbvzcjv9.fsf@engster.org> <87iorz18fy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vbvyv08q.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhwuyycb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87fvn2awbf.fsf@wanadoo.es> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1393685414 7937 80.91.229.3 (1 Mar 2014 14:50:14 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 14:50:14 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 01 15:50:22 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WJlF8-0000IG-Du for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 15:50:22 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60008 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJlF7-00078o-TG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 09:50:21 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:37442) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJlEz-0006yk-F2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 09:50:19 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJlEq-00014S-M0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 09:50:13 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout25.012.net.il ([80.179.55.181]:58213) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJlEq-00013F-Du for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 09:50:04 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout25.012.net.il by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N1R00C00HOJKN00@mtaout25.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:48:25 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout25.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N1R007HEIGPS070@mtaout25.012.net.il>; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:48:25 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87fvn2awbf.fsf@wanadoo.es> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.181 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:169995 Archived-At: > From: =D3scar Fuentes > Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2014 14:21:40 +0100 >=20 > >> We already have elaborate infrastructure for this kind of featur= es: > >> CEDET and in particular Semantic. Moreover, we included CEDET i= n > >> Emacs several releases ago precisely _because_ we wanted to move= in > >> the direction of making Emacs a better IDE. If we need more of = what > >> is in ECB and the upstream CEDET, we can bring that in. This is= IMO > >> the preferred direction: make Emacs features depend on nothing b= ut > >> Emacs packages. >=20 > I know that you don't trust me when I say that this is foolish It is foolish to call an existing implementation impossible to achieve. > so I'll recommend to you to ask on gcc-devel: "how much work it is > to implement the necessary features from scratch (say on Elisp) for > providing C++ smart code completion as Clang does?" It is already implemented. > You can also take a look at GCC or Clang sources to get an idea of = the > involved complexity (not that the sources reflects all the complexi= ty.) Irrelevant, because we don't need to compile C++ sources, we need something else.