From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Sat, 06 Dec 2014 00:45:28 +0200 Message-ID: <83a9313ed3.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <83r3we2jb9.fsf@gnu.org> <708906124.QMSzxCvBCm@descartes> <83fvct3l7v.fsf@gnu.org> <87ppbxvnft.fsf@wanadoo.es> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1417819542 21723 80.91.229.3 (5 Dec 2014 22:45:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2014 22:45:42 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 05 23:45:35 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx1cw-00088c-UU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 23:45:31 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52762 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx1cw-0001W1-EK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 17:45:30 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39241) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx1cl-0001NN-EU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 17:45:25 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx1ce-0003FD-I7 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 17:45:19 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout24.012.net.il ([80.179.55.180]:44098) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xx1ce-0003Ci-21 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 05 Dec 2014 17:45:12 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout24.012.net.il by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NG400I00R5D5N00@mtaout24.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 00:37:26 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by mtaout24.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NG400A0WS6DP390@mtaout24.012.net.il>; Sat, 06 Dec 2014 00:37:26 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <87ppbxvnft.fsf@wanadoo.es> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.180 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179054 Archived-At: > From: =D3scar Fuentes > Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 21:41:58 +0100 >=20 > > The issue here is mainly about the Texinfo source. It doesn't ma= ke > > sense to switch to another language, exactly as it doesn't make s= ense > > to switch a C-based project to C++ or Java, when all the main > > developers don't work and aren't proficient in these languages. = It's > > a death blow to the project. >=20 > This is true when the new tool is difficult to master (as your C ->= C++ > example.) If the new tool has a similar learning curve than the old > tool, you must admit that the old tool is an incovenience for new > contributors in the same way that switching to the new tool is an > incovenience for the existing contributors. I will agree to that when I see those new contributors in the documentation department. > OTOH, what you say on other message about requiring documentation w= ith > changes is an obvious improvement for the project, moreso if we off= er > help on the process (formatting, as you say, but also grammar, etc.= ) > Requiring documentation might shy away some people, but overall the > Emacs development process would improve by shortening the release > cycles, IMHO. Last time I suggested that, I was in minority.