From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs undo behavior frustrating for new users. Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 19:06:03 +0300 Message-ID: <83a7ncsglw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <0CCFABF4-0F2B-4DAA-9C8E-11E1254A325E@gmail.com> <87woqka4wg.fsf_-_@red-bean.com> <53AEC704-1099-42F4-806C-6C0A903AB954@scratch.space> <8736t4g4v2.fsf@portable.galex-713.eu> NNTP-Posting-Host: blaine.gmane.org X-Trace: blaine.gmane.org 1539792367 9873 195.159.176.226 (17 Oct 2018 16:06:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@blaine.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 16:06:07 +0000 (UTC) Cc: van@scratch.space, nathan.moreau@m4x.org, rms@gnu.org, galex-713@galex-713.eu, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Oct 17 18:06:02 2018 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1gCoKf-0002RU-Na for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 18:06:01 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37975 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gCoMl-000072-Q2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 12:08:11 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59568) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gCoLF-00005D-KB for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 12:06:38 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gCoL9-0004Ix-On for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 12:06:35 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:40492) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1gCoL0-00043e-30; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 12:06:22 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4991 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1gCoKn-00045D-Po; Wed, 17 Oct 2018 12:06:10 -0400 In-reply-to: (message from Yuri Khan on Wed, 17 Oct 2018 21:33:49 +0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:230452 Archived-At: > From: Yuri Khan > Date: Wed, 17 Oct 2018 21:33:49 +0700 > Cc: van@scratch.space, nathan.moreau@m4x.org, rms@gnu.org, > Emacs developers > > These days? Control and Alt are just modifier keys that can be pressed > with every other key, whether alphabetic, numeric, or functional. But the results are non-portable when used with keys that produce non-ASCII characters, so these combinations are better avoided.