From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [Emacs-diffs] master 6cd5678: Clarify compiler-pacifier in frame.c Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 15:43:25 +0300 Message-ID: <83a7bueq36.fsf@gnu.org> References: <835zmnjdjm.fsf@gnu.org> <227db16b-17d1-b44b-97b3-e80211415eef@cs.ucla.edu> <831rx9iupo.fsf@gnu.org> <32f9db09-0c04-df03-4bb7-76fe2aa9a88f@cs.ucla.edu> <83tva4fjkz.fsf@gnu.org> <87cb5a0c-bdd8-726c-80ed-92e9f3518a58@cs.ucla.edu> <83o90cfecf.fsf@gnu.org> <87lfvg3qbi.fsf@telefonica.net> <83imqjgb1g.fsf@gnu.org> <87ftln4wm0.fsf@telefonica.net> <83a7bvg4a2.fsf@gnu.org> <87blwb4u2i.fsf@telefonica.net> <835zmjg1re.fsf@gnu.org> <831rx7f863.fsf@gnu.org> <834b9308-5235-be47-1cf8-136bb6f35e48@cs.ucla.edu> <83lfvfdoj6.fsf@gnu.org> <9d22dab3-e353-2401-0de3-6fc149e9e09f@cs.ucla.edu> <83ftlmewy7.fsf@gnu.org> <632b7c28-63d2-d400-bfff-096258d76d9a@cs.ucla.edu> Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="210747"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Paul Eggert Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Aug 27 14:43:29 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1i2aoq-000shd-Je for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 14:43:28 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51136 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1i2aop-0007zX-Eo for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 08:43:27 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53248) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1i2aoj-0007y5-Kq for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 08:43:22 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:57662) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1i2aoj-0006RD-Hk; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 08:43:21 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3536 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1i2aoi-0001Yo-V5; Tue, 27 Aug 2019 08:43:21 -0400 In-reply-to: <632b7c28-63d2-d400-bfff-096258d76d9a@cs.ucla.edu> (message from Paul Eggert on Tue, 27 Aug 2019 05:05:33 -0700) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:239619 Archived-At: > From: Paul Eggert > Date: Tue, 27 Aug 2019 05:05:33 -0700 > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Do you have a guess why GCC might get lost in that code? > > Sure, lots of guesses. Well, I don't think this discussion is going anywhere useful, so let's end it. > > UNINIT is for you to be able to use your tools of choice, and > > perhaps also to cater to your personal stylistic preferences. > > It's not just me using those tools. And UNINIT is not my stylistic preference: I > don't like using UNINIT and when variables need not be initialized I'd rather > just not initialize them (this is the longstanding tradition in GNU and UNIX > code). The only reason for UNINIT is that it's more useful for preventing and > catching bugs than its alternatives are. We clearly disagree here.