From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [ELPA] New package: transient Date: Tue, 05 May 2020 17:48:29 +0300 Message-ID: <83a72mmo8y.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87368npxw4.fsf@bernoul.li> <87v9ljo5d0.fsf@bernoul.li> <87ftcnxu5m.fsf@bernoul.li> <83y2qezlpd.fsf@gnu.org> <83tv12zjx1.fsf@gnu.org> <20200429101755.GF24737@tuxteam.de> <838sicw4do.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhaqu89z.fsf@gnu.org> <83sggiu2p9.fsf@gnu.org> <83r1w2s9wi.fsf@gnu.org> <83v9leqmss.fsf@gnu.org> <83zhapoz63.fsf@gnu.org> <0a13f7e1-61c7-1e78-22bc-a27c15c269e7@yandex.ru> <83h7wxotix.fsf@gnu.org> <18096f9a-c617-f37b-cdaa-1a6198db2e1c@yandex.ru> <83a72porka.fsf@gnu.org> <83mu6nok4v.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="52826"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Jean-Christophe Helary Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue May 05 16:49:47 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jVytG-000Ddd-V7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 05 May 2020 16:49:46 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:51738 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVytG-0003vB-0H for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 05 May 2020 10:49:46 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36428) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVysM-0002rY-LI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 05 May 2020 10:48:50 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55591) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jVysL-00073E-VR; Tue, 05 May 2020 10:48:49 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2124 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jVysL-0003i7-AQ; Tue, 05 May 2020 10:48:49 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Jean-Christophe Helary on Tue, 5 May 2020 17:23:24 +0900) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248994 Archived-At: > From: Jean-Christophe Helary > Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 17:23:24 +0900 > > >> Would you consider that a tutorial on the information search system provided by emacs would help in that matter ? > > > > Maybe. I don't think I understand well enough what would such a > > tutorial include. You didn't say. > > What a tutorial usually includes is step-by-step help with practical examples. I'll be putting that on my todo list. If you mean a tutorial for the Info mode, then we already have it: info.info. You can get to it if you type 'h' in Info mode. > > We already have some of that ion the Emacs tutorial > > Very little in fact: > > C-h t > C-h i > C-h f > C-h v > M-. → "requires running etags to record all the manuals nodes" > C-h p in a quote from the Emacs manual > M-x apropos > C-h a → the example Chassell gives produces 211 results I think you are looking at the Introduction to Programming in Emacs Lisp, not at the tutorial. > > and then we have the "Help" chapter in the Emacs manual. > > The Help chapter provides a "summary of help commands for accessing the built-in documentation." That's just the summary section. The next sections describe the commands in detail. > That summary does not group the information by topic but merely lists the commands in the alphabetical order of the keys. > > Let me attach a patch that groups the commands by topic (tables) in that summary. I am not sure adding a @subsection is the best way to label such groups (tables) but I could not find a better solution. Thanks, but in long lists of loosely-related items, it is usually better to arrange them in alphabetical order, since it makes it easier to find what you need.