From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Changes for emacs 28 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 15:35:40 +0300 Message-ID: <83a6xwh4o3.fsf@gnu.org> References: <20200910231420.kvqg6ohvxetpup5c.ref@Ergus> <20200910231420.kvqg6ohvxetpup5c@Ergus> <83zh5whl5p.fsf@gnu.org> <83mu1whac7.fsf@gnu.org> <83imckh9yt.fsf@gnu.org> <83ft7oh63h.fsf@gnu.org> <20200911121919.5oljwsot4g3bm7zq@Ergus> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="26516"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rekado@elephly.net, ghe@sdf.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Ergus Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Sep 11 14:36:21 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1kGiHt-0006mo-6b for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 14:36:21 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50386 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGiHs-0006Kh-9g for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 08:36:20 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:35028) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGiHK-0005tJ-4G for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 08:35:46 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37059) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1kGiHI-0001UI-WF; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 08:35:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1794 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1kGiHI-0007wI-BD; Fri, 11 Sep 2020 08:35:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: <20200911121919.5oljwsot4g3bm7zq@Ergus> (message from Ergus on Fri, 11 Sep 2020 14:19:19 +0200) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:255159 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2020 14:19:19 +0200 > From: Ergus > Cc: Dmitry Gutov , rekado@elephly.net, ghe@sdf.org, > drew.adams@oracle.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > > Could you reconsider my proposal of an undo-redo-mode to: > > - Add the extra icon in the toolbar. I believe I already agreed to that. We even had a patch posted for it, and I commented on it. > - Change the undo action in menu-bar and tool-bar by undo-only instead. We need more opinions for this one. If many people agree to it, I won't object. > - Bind undo-redo to something in the keyboard. If you can find a good key that is vacant, sure, why not? > - To enable it in some of the proposed user "profiles" Since we don't have any profiles yet, this is not something we can do. > - Not bother the users that somehow won't like to have all that. Having said all of the above, I'm now asking myself (and you) why do we have to have a special mode for this? None of these measures contradicts the default operation of undo via C-/, so we could simply have this by default. > Having undo with an undo-redo in the same "state" could be confusing as > the normal undo could do also redo IMO. If the user uses the menus or the tool bar, the confusion will be spared, right?