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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
To: Pip Cet <pipcet@gmail.com>
Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org
Subject: Re: master d582356: * src/fns.c (Frandom): Handle bignum `limit`s
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2021 16:04:42 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83a6rft5z9.fsf@gnu.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAOqdjBdw5L+h7V4LH=FHEcOStGMnOVK_koaEZ7Ktfe7p=jTxHQ@mail.gmail.com> (message from Pip Cet on Sun, 7 Mar 2021 13:27:01 +0000)

> From: Pip Cet <pipcet@gmail.com>
> Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 13:27:01 +0000
> Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>, emacs-devel@gnu.org
> 
> > > 1. Have FUNCTION_MAY_GC etc. translate into a GCC attribute in debug
> > > builds so we can statically check that a function that says it never
> > > calls GC doesn't call a function that says it may call GC.
> > > 2. Have a statement at the beginning of non-GCing functions which sets
> > > a flag that is then checked by garbage-collecting functions, so that
> > > we may dynamically check this.
> > >
> > > (1) seems easy to implement, but has a high rate of false negatives as
> 
> "Seems". If you have a computer fast enough and enough RAM to actually
> compile emacs with -flto -fanalyzer -fdump-analyzer-json. I don't.
> 
> > > many functions are safe to call from non-GCing functions as long as
> > > the arguments are correct.
> > > (2) is difficult to implement, and would only trigger at runtime.
> > >
> > > So I say we should do (1) in preference to (2), but maybe we should do both.
> >
> > I don't think I understand how will we know which function says it
> > never calls GC.
> 
> By tagging it in the source code?

How do you know which functions to tag?

> > For the same reasons, I don't see how (2) can be done in practice.
> 
> Sorry, I don't understand.  We'd have
> 
> void
> f (void)
> {
>   DONT_CALL_GC ();
>   g();
> }
> 
> void
> g (void)
> {
>   maybe_gc ();
> }
> 
> and that would throw a runtime error because maybe_gc checks the flag
> set by DONT_CALL_GC.

How do you know in which functions to add DONT_CALL_GC ?

Or did you intend to add that to all the functions one by one, then
removing them as needed, until you stop getting runtime exceptions?



  reply	other threads:[~2021-03-07 14:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 19+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found] ` <20210305170957.AF99920E1B@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2021-03-05 19:42   ` master d582356: * src/fns.c (Frandom): Handle bignum `limit`s Pip Cet
2021-03-05 19:56     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-05 20:13       ` Pip Cet
2021-03-05 20:34         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-06  7:42       ` Pip Cet
2021-03-06  8:44         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-06  9:44           ` Pip Cet
2021-03-06 10:56             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-06 13:22               ` Pip Cet
2021-03-06 14:45                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-07 13:27                   ` Pip Cet
2021-03-07 14:04                     ` Eli Zaretskii [this message]
2021-03-07 14:21                       ` Pip Cet
2021-03-07 15:22                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-07 17:23                           ` Pip Cet
2021-03-07 17:47                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-03-07 18:37                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-03-07 19:54                       ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-03-07 19:55                       ` Pip Cet

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