From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: sqlite3 Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 09:02:29 +0200 Message-ID: <83a6gycs56.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87tufmjyai.fsf@gnus.org> <87lf0nr2b4.fsf@gnus.org> <87czlzjfhs.fsf@logand.com> <87pmpznmw4.fsf@gnus.org> <87a6h3jcfm.fsf@logand.com> <83lf0nj9w4.fsf@gnu.org> <8735mvj5u0.fsf@logand.com> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="22279"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: larsi@gnus.org, tom@logand.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 18 08:04:36 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1myTlk-0005YQ-45 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 18 Dec 2021 08:04:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:55410 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1myTli-000584-NY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sat, 18 Dec 2021 02:04:34 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54518) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1myTk3-00042D-1w for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 18 Dec 2021 02:02:51 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=38236 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1myTk2-0006TC-5V; Sat, 18 Dec 2021 02:02:50 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=iPGd0v8Fk9NoyC63SoB11xRlnDPg+dXW1aTbplxYIG8=; b=cwvnGw6AGL24 MzQsQy2zG6H/UnuCgsQQWBD2k1ZJwVbnaEJ54aQeYk6Xj7uO1CXaI1iBEctPxcTBR9CyzrYJb/kn6 TKS+BObcxA5SPor2ZV1hzVUD/4L7bicfmq9p/l0Ce7FBM7c1+JXOfADg4+m39S2oG++TbfteZcK0P sfagAZP/7Ix/uzB7HD8Al1KH/cwd9x1cRTBNzKhD1JolAbVa5SUZjDbbXKYu+FWs4w9X8BlM0K0a1 fJDKyjWqoMSRyqFChbxPgPX8LagLuMbxzyW6OgriKeEefGnVBDKRqLs1xFNOFCa6+vVDHuw1auokm 5c76kMhs2pINWNHPIp61ng==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1145 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1myTju-00062L-Hr; Sat, 18 Dec 2021 02:02:43 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Fri, 17 Dec 2021 23:40:37 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282253 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 23:40:37 -0500 > > > I guess it must be hard to develop with so many devils advocates :-) > > I hope anyone tempted to play "devil's advocate" will reconsider and > not do that. It is never helpful to present arguments you don't > sincerely believe. > > See https://gnu.org/philosophy/devils-advocate.html. This is a tangent, so I'll try to be very short. I disagree with Richard on this point, and I disagree with that essay. IME, hearing devil's advocates is very important for cleansing my ideas and thoughts, and for making good balanced decisions. Moreover, in many rational organizations, the decision-making process requires the participation of the so-called "red team", which plays the role of an adversary ("devil") with the purpose of making the decisions sound and sustainable. So others have found this useful. Every technique can be subverted by using it with hostile or cunning motives, of course, but the ability to discover the hostile intent (or just those with some agenda) and ignore some of such "devil's advocates" is part of the necessary process of considering some idea or decision.