From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Motif support Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 08:42:14 +0200 Message-ID: <83a6grx1o9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83k0fwwhw5.fsf@gnu.org> <87ilvgwfor.fsf@telefonica.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="16183"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 23 07:51:38 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1n0Hww-0003zI-2t for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 07:51:38 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52188 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0Hwu-0008G6-JP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 01:51:36 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52072) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0Hnq-0004h7-QL for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 01:42:16 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=45250 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0Hnq-0003cv-8h; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 01:42:14 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=UMv7NbCi92Kwkti6+5y8XnN5G1mmFrhl8+UwTKtiEkw=; b=gBsr3Yylkt3lArZZNvfN 95Wka2YTJ1JlZzoIrK3PhgiRXQQG2ETHK7ar6K6SPBxXYXycF7AW9QOORKnr2SbdRdpJfLpvbQmSk fg7z69HCeFKUPBykMxZhGD0d8oCYW6yiduc2QaB1eMcRrl41Rl8ajxl/Bx4frFMe9nij4go9w43om 6kVOcaDe8JgiDiyqka8JTzeqBJ/W8WEUuvjxnAxFgIFzkfNs+PG+yB6Atmsfu5n3KshJPja+2lGUH 7xRQtJ8BiymAnTYevAAey466Y//lARYYG5AXEu5M7bqcbMll7zTNtIxpTpv3lk+PprR/ojrUTV96T jIRdJ9y2PgO6oA==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4314 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1n0Hnk-0006Mu-9s; Thu, 23 Dec 2021 01:42:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87ilvgwfor.fsf@telefonica.net> (message from =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar?= Fuentes on Wed, 22 Dec 2021 21:24:52 +0100) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282874 Archived-At: > From: Óscar Fuentes > Date: Wed, 22 Dec 2021 21:24:52 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> >> Games usually do all GUI drawing themselves. > >> > So you are saying that so should we?? > >> > >> Believe it or not, Emacs is much more reminiscent of a game engine than > >> a desktop app. > > > > I indeed don't believe it. > > I agree with the OP. Emacs does a lot of micro-management of graphical > elements and does its own event processing. That's distinctive of games. There's a large chasm between "micro-management of graphical elements and own event processing" and doing all the GUI by hand, bit by bit. It is far from being black-and-white. And Emacs is very far from the edge you seem to be saying we are at or near. You are invited to read the code and see for yourself.