From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Org mode and Emacs (was: Convert README.org to plain text README while installing package) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 14:44:58 +0300 Message-ID: <83a6aftqo5.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87o7z61v59.fsf@gmail.com> <87bkv527p5.fsf@gmail.com> <835yld93w7.fsf@gnu.org> <877d5t0yrn.fsf@gmail.com> <87r140yuof.fsf@gmail.com> <875yl9e7zm.fsf@gmail.com> <83czfh12kp.fsf@gnu.org> <87pmjhghu2.fsf@localhost> <835yl910gp.fsf@gnu.org> <87wndndbhq.fsf@gmail.com> <83bkuzznws.fsf@gnu.org> <877d5mqmkh.fsf@localhost> <83k09kt1uk.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8t4klox.fsf@localhost> <83h74ntsix.fsf@gnu.org> <87wndjfq72.fsf@localhost> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="21416"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: rms@gnu.org, theophilusx@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Ihor Radchenko Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Jun 14 13:47:40 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1o151H-0005LU-UO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 13:47:40 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47506 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o151G-0002rv-MK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:47:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59130) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o14zl-0001OS-3Q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:46:06 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33440) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o14zi-0008Rj-Vf; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:46:03 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=L88dHKSoCxya4Uzs1KCDA83+y8F86/+Uh35RNGN5Os8=; b=iN6dMpTBfBJL yUjvEzudtuGM8JzUSAKJydJQkzYlJZS1fnE76u/2tNvbUzHry0LHPh5AkNHAhJwnKeVDPrW7vvbhn K9Ucz580KGRuA6IqZcJQq2vrXKInR+kdLxeIDqNgZ6DLVkevHTKfPyey9EfbvwIeEE3VaJmfzhHjY l0u8tnjVOxvzSV6lhu3pHGK+uBDqSoZRVryPilYVD1LtSnXj9ztf8J7BoDwsdoE8XLOadn5T1OBVU LRDuPa6hfRjq+DLGVfLE8I6MreVJwty5BxTP5xvtZlyAtoHLV0h6U2L8v0LW7q0l+9qnVCDJvRaZx 50a2OKFZVA/48Za0T+Y8nw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4476 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1o14yr-0005CU-9n; Tue, 14 Jun 2022 07:45:26 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87wndjfq72.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Tue, 14 Jun 2022 19:18:57 +0800) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:291170 Archived-At: > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: rms@gnu.org, theophilusx@gmail.com, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, > acm@muc.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2022 19:18:57 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > An optimized build of Emacs produces org.texi in about 30 to 40 > > seconds here, and that is also quite annoying for a production build. > > Lars recently made significant changes in our build scripts and > > support code because he didn't like much shorter delays. We build > > Emacs many times a week, so these delays add up. > > Is there any practical reason to re-build Org manual every time you > rebuild Emacs, even if the source did not change? No, and it doesn't happen unless I bootstrap. > I though that make would skip building unchanged sources. Indeed, it does (except as part of "make bootstrap", which rebuilds everything). But even without a bootstrap, when org.org changes, building several branches needs to process it once per branch.