From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: right-char and left-char Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:04:42 +0200 Message-ID: <838voxgg85.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87k48it6g3.fsf@stupidchicken.com> <83pqiagew4.fsf@gnu.org> <8762k1ojy0.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1317989156 18058 80.91.229.12 (7 Oct 2011 12:05:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2011 12:05:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Chong Yidong Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Oct 07 14:05:52 2011 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RC9BY-00061X-9F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:05:52 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:57053 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC9BX-0006bc-Np for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 08:05:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:49771) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC9BU-0006VC-DW for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 08:05:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC9BS-0001kJ-TF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 08:05:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:34602) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RC9BS-0001jj-Ba for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 08:05:46 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0LSP000002SZCO00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:04:39 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.91.138]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0LSP000IO2VRC110@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Fri, 07 Oct 2011 14:04:39 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <8762k1ojy0.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:144687 Archived-At: > From: Chong Yidong > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2011 18:04:55 -0400 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > The intended behavior is what you see now in Emacs. The manual is > > correct for the important special case of the paragraph direction that > > coincides with the text direction. Most L2R text in the world is in > > L2R paragraphs and most R2L text is in R2L paragraphs, so the > > description covers most of the use cases. > > > > As for the less common use case you mention, yes, the description in > > the manual could mislead if read too literally; "text is read > > left-to-right" is intentionally vague to at least not be blatantly > > wrong. > > This lands us in the unfortunate situation where a command named > `left-char' sometimes moves right, and a command named `right-char' > sometimes moves left. That's unfortunate, I agree, but I couldn't find better names. Suggestions welcome, it's not too late to change these if we want. > Their names seem to imply that what distinguishes > these commands from `forward-char'/`backward-char' is their > directionality. That isn't _entirely_ false...