From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs contributions, C and Lisp Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2014 20:02:15 +0200 Message-ID: <838ustvlug.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87txbn8r6x.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8338j717oe.fsf@gnu.org> <87zjlf6tdx.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83sir7yue7.fsf@gnu.org> <8761o3dlak.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83bnxuzyl4.fsf@gnu.org> <871tyqes5q.fsf@wanadoo.es> <87a9ddg7o8.fsf@engster.org> <87d2i9ee8t.fsf@engster.org> <874n3ke1qn.fsf@engster.org> <87vbvzcjv9.fsf@engster.org> <87iorz18fy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <83vbvyv08q.fsf@gnu.org> <87lhwuyycb.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87fvn2awbf.fsf@wanadoo.es> <83a9daug6e.fsf@gnu.org> <878usuard6.fsf@wanadoo.es> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1393696948 30545 80.91.229.3 (1 Mar 2014 18:02:28 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2014 18:02:28 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=D3scar?= Fuentes Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Mar 01 19:02:36 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1WJoFA-0002V9-5L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 19:02:36 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:60482 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJoF9-0001WW-PG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 13:02:35 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:38737) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJoF2-0001WB-O2 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 13:02:34 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJoEx-0001Tu-E6 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 13:02:28 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:42369) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1WJoEx-0001Ti-5a for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 13:02:23 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0N1R00900R5MLK00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 20:02:21 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0N1R009J5RFXD770@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 01 Mar 2014 20:02:21 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: <878usuard6.fsf@wanadoo.es> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:170006 Archived-At: > From: =D3scar Fuentes > Date: Sat, 01 Mar 2014 16:08:37 +0100 >=20 > Eli Zaretskii writes: >=20 > >> I know that you don't trust me when I say that this is foolish > > > > It is foolish to call an existing implementation impossible to > > achieve. > > > >> so I'll recommend to you to ask on gcc-devel: "how much work it = is > >> to implement the necessary features from scratch (say on Elisp) = for > >> providing C++ smart code completion as Clang does?" > > > > It is already implemented. >=20 > This is false, as acknowledged by the C++/CEDET developer himself a= nd > easily testable with a few lines of code. What was acknowledged was that CEDET does not implement the full C++ standard, that's all. It remains to be seen how important that is to the Emacs users at large; obviously, CEDET developers didn't think what they had was useless. Your needs are not the only ones, and not necessarily representative of those of others. > We don't need the backend, but we need all the other big parts. In = the > case of Clang, that's probably more than 70% of its source code (th= e > backend is provided by LLVM, which is a segregated code base.) Because Clang was designed and implemented as a compiler, first and foremost, and not as a CEDET backend. How many times we will need to go through this before you will understand that hand-waving and unsubstantiated claims are not convincing? These repetitions serve nothing else but discouraging people for trying different approaches -- is this really your goal an= d your agenda?