From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: IDE Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 17:25:20 +0300 Message-ID: <838u7assvj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <5610207A.2000300@harpegolden.net> <83fv1r3gzp.fsf@gnu.org> <83bncf3f9k.fsf@gnu.org> <5610E0BC.8090902@online.de> <83si5r106e.fsf@gnu.org> <831td9z18h.fsf@gnu.org> <5612E996.7090700@yandex.ru> <83bnc7tavr.fsf@gnu.org> <5618C92A.3040207@yandex.ru> <83a8rrt9ag.fsf@gnu.org> <5618D376.1080700@yandex.ru> <831td3t62e.fsf@gnu.org> <5618E51D.4070800@yandex.ru> <83twpzrp05.fsf@gnu.org> <5618ED93.8000001@yandex.ru> <83lhbbrnn7.fsf@gnu.org> <56191D6B.8040405@yandex.ru> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1444487186 988 80.91.229.3 (10 Oct 2015 14:26:26 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 14:26:26 +0000 (UTC) Cc: adatgyujto@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 10 16:26:17 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zkv6F-0006Q1-0N for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 16:26:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45068 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zkv6D-0005NS-Qb for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:26:13 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:46543) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zkv6A-0005NG-EO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:26:11 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zkv66-0006aH-FX for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:26:10 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:42743) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zkv66-0006aC-7h for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 10:26:06 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NW000F00D7NRB00@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 17:25:14 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NW000FGFDE1PY30@a-mtaout20.012.net.il>; Sat, 10 Oct 2015 17:25:14 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <56191D6B.8040405@yandex.ru> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.166 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:191143 Archived-At: > Cc: adatgyujto@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov > Date: Sat, 10 Oct 2015 17:15:07 +0300 > > On 10/10/2015 02:03 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > Are you saying that high-level design is generally not useful, and > > should be avoided, unless "justified"? > > A justification would further the discussion. Simply asking for a big > design, doesn't. It's standard software engineering practice, why should you ask for its justification? > >> If Company's tooltip is not pleasant, what would be pleasant for > >> you? > > > > I just gave you 2 examples. > > You didn't explain how they are better. They look nicer. I don't know how to explain better. > > And it's not really about me, it's about the expectations of users out > > there. Don't they expect something they see elsewhere? > > Sometimes. A common question is for a popup that doesn't conflict with > other packages that use overlay rendering for other things. The other IDEs use something similar to a tooltip, or a drop-down menu with different fonts and colors.