From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: IDE Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 19:56:02 +0300 Message-ID: <838u6sw6hp.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83bncf3f9k.fsf@gnu.org> <5610E0BC.8090902@online.de> <83si5r106e.fsf@gnu.org> <831td9z18h.fsf@gnu.org> <5612E996.7090700@yandex.ru> <83bnc7tavr.fsf@gnu.org> <5618C92A.3040207@yandex.ru> <83a8rrt9ag.fsf@gnu.org> <5618D376.1080700@yandex.ru> <831td3t62e.fsf@gnu.org> <561A6199.1020901@cumego.com> <561B9D87.70504@yandex.ru> <87vb9wcpw9.fsf@esperi.org.uk> <83eggkwdgh.fsf@gnu.org> <87io5wcjro.fsf@esperi.org.uk> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1445705778 9994 80.91.229.3 (24 Oct 2015 16:56:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 16:56:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org, esperanto@cumego.com, adatgyujto@gmail.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Nix Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Oct 24 18:56:08 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Zq26w-0000v5-HR for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 18:56:06 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45007 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zq26v-00086J-I7 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 12:56:05 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:42883) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zq26r-000861-Qx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 12:56:02 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zq26o-0006KW-Ke for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 12:56:01 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout29.012.net.il ([80.179.55.185]:56447) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Zq26o-0006KI-80 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 12:55:58 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.mtaout29.012.net.il by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0NWQ00G00HLMXV00@mtaout29.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 19:55:19 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([84.94.185.246]) by mtaout29.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0NWQ00DDVHO5HL30@mtaout29.012.net.il>; Sat, 24 Oct 2015 19:55:18 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: <87io5wcjro.fsf@esperi.org.uk> X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 80.179.55.185 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:192550 Archived-At: > From: Nix > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, dgutov@yandex.ru, esperanto@cumego.com, > adatgyujto@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Emacs: a Lisp interpreter masquerading as ... a Lisp interpreter! > Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 17:29:31 +0100 >=20 > On 24 Oct 2015, Eli Zaretskii outgrape: >=20 > >> From: Nix > >> Cc: Dmitry Gutov , > >> Przemys=C5=82aw Wojnowski > >> , > >> Eli Zaretskii , adatgyujto@gmail.com, > >> emacs-devel@gnu.org > >> Emacs: The Awakening > >> Date: Sat, 24 Oct 2015 15:17:10 +0100 > >>=20 > >> Raw TAGS files are more or less unsuitable for anything but C an= d Lisp, > >> and are pretty poor even for that (e.g. you can only jump from u= ses to > >> definitions, the definition can only be in one place...) > > > > Raw TAGS files are not supposed to be used for anything but > > definitions. > > > > For references, you are supposed to use ID-Utils or something sim= ilar, > > which use a different format of their DB. >=20 > Two different tools, for more or less identical jobs except that on= e is > one->many and the other is many->one? (In particular, the hard part > isn't the data structure, but the parsing.) >=20 > That strikes me as really, really ugly. Are we still talking about an Emacs IDE? If so, there's only one tool: Emacs. What happens behind the scenes is of interest to us developers, but the user doesn't need to know, or even suspect. Right?