From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.ciao.gmane.io!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: "Why is emacs so square?" Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 17:09:27 +0300 Message-ID: <838siwhmco.fsf@gnu.org> References: <8wXYP4GY9hwW-9mYv6_LGMETZ8Vz3Ob1Bec6yh6kPT7yxjTkxA3V6dXY4ELra9tYiJUxJmgXKSIEX4w8HFiPRoeGVSQHDSoBVy1voj1e3Qo=@protonmail.com> <87wo6h1kwl.fsf@emailmessageidheader.nil> <83k12hgt43.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="ciao.gmane.io:159.69.161.202"; logging-data="3929"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: bobnewell@bobnewell.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Tim Cross Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Wed Apr 15 16:10:29 2020 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1jOikH-0000uJ-MP for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 16:10:29 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50622 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jOikG-00045B-O1 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:10:28 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:43019) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1jOijZ-0003EY-H4 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:09:46 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:38859) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1jOijZ-00045Z-B0; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:09:45 -0400 Original-Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3708 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1jOijY-0007of-Dl; Wed, 15 Apr 2020 10:09:44 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Tim Cross on Wed, 15 Apr 2020 23:57:18 +1000) X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247003 Archived-At: > From: Tim Cross > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 23:57:18 +1000 > Cc: Bob Newell , Emacs developers > > I think the challenge would be in coming up with an approach which won't make the terminal (non-gui) > version drift from the GUI version too much. Changing the button styles etc in the GUI menu and perhaps > updating toolbar icons etc is probably not too hard, but you cannot do much with things like 'buttons' in > widgets etc (such as those used with customize) without having to have completely different code for > rendering in GUI and rendering in terminal. Maybe I'm missing something, but AFAIK we already have different code for rendering this stuff in GUI and in text-mode frames. The GUI code inserts an image and simulates the 3D "raised button" appearance, whereas the text-mode code shows some ASCII art instead. Or maybe I don't understand what differences you had in mind. > I think part of the reason the GUI menus and toolbar might look dated to many is that nearly all experienced > and long-term users I know turn off the menus and toolbar, so never see them. Well, I don't, FWIW. > For me, the only 'buttons' I see are the widget style buttons and these are not really buttons - > they are really text 'fake' buttons. Not sure what you mean by "text fake buttons". We show a 3D appearance on button widgets; if that's not real buttons, then what should real buttons look like, in your opinion?