From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Stepping Back: A Wealth Of Completion systems Re: [ELPA] New package: vertico Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 16:37:12 +0300 Message-ID: <838s5p3ptj.fsf@gnu.org> References: <9c9af088-580f-9fb1-4d79-237a74ce605c@inventati.org> <874kgkxxs0.fsf@posteo.net> <78741fe6-2612-d7c9-2bc4-0b68ea7fa51a@yandex.ru> <76a4d0e2-117b-165d-d56e-5bc2f504b50c@yandex.ru> <87blapln0r.fsf@posteo.net> <37bd2e96-ce04-eb6d-24da-fdd7ea427e61@yandex.ru> <87im4wx2ct.fsf@posteo.net> <83ft0080hi.fsf@gnu.org> <16784f40-b959-9a84-65d4-93b71d1bebec@yandex.ru> <837dla7ghj.fsf@gnu.org> <83lf9q5r7k.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="8129"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: philipk@posteo.net, dgutov@yandex.ru, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Stefan Kangas Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 11 15:38:44 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1lVaIW-0001yn-Dj for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2021 15:38:44 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53880 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lVaIS-000156-V2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2021 09:38:40 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36642) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lVaHP-0000di-A0 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 11 Apr 2021 09:37:35 -0400 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33685) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1lVaHO-00024o-Ib; Sun, 11 Apr 2021 09:37:34 -0400 Original-Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2274 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from ) id 1lVaHK-0002aS-Eh; Sun, 11 Apr 2021 09:37:32 -0400 In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Sun, 11 Apr 2021 06:37:08 -0500) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:267875 Archived-At: > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2021 06:37:08 -0500 > Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, philipk@posteo.net, emacs-devel@gnu.org, > dgutov@yandex.ru > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> > Right away, i.e. even without the user typing anything? that'd produce > >> > a huge list of candidates, which would be impractical to display. > >> This is what e.g. ivy does on M-x, and it works well in practice. > >> > >> I find it much better to display candidates this way, and I think it > >> would be a step forward if Emacs dit this itself OOTB. > > > > For me, it would be a step back. I never use completion for > > discovery, I always have a pretty good idea what I'm about to type > > when I do. > > The fact that this UI paradigm is so ubiquitous suggests that you might > be in the minority here. Am I supposed to be ashamed to be in the minority? This isn't a "majority wins" situation. A minority (if it is a minority) that's used to do stuff the old ways shouldn't be ignored.