From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: sqlite3 Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 14:48:47 +0200 Message-ID: <838rwje6s0.fsf@gnu.org> References: <878rwx8mdn.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgpdhw4d.fsf@yahoo.com> <2F63580E-FF58-45D0-9DBB-389ED64C0F11@mit.edu> <83v8zzw867.fsf@gnu.org> <87wnk7kkxp.fsf@red-bean.com> <837dc6j9ui.fsf@gnu.org> Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20182"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, qhong@mit.edu, rms@gnu.org, eric@ericabrahamsen.net, cesar.mena@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, kfogel@red-bean.com To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 17 13:54:18 2021 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1myCka-0004w4-6Y for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 13:54:16 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:49594 helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1myCkX-0005Eh-8L for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 07:54:14 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39886) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1myCfa-0001BS-Dk for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 07:49:06 -0500 Original-Received: from [2001:470:142:3::e] (port=36108 helo=fencepost.gnu.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1myCfZ-0000le-LC; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 07:49:05 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=jOo2fgYBPoT8qILtMvtM9PGbTVvujTtsgi0AabbMbrA=; b=HEa0dn7/esrb jnvS/or9xIHyjEP2rFMWg4tKtj2i450jE7lOrfeT5loh/OGqQXYGw+K7ymTD5yjQrox/r07OWNRZo yVvztb0VbWkG8ewEk5BzJNAg7Vd1ert5FyV4LkCHfjK4h7xFFKlvwi8+FFise4gJcS/z8fBjHGf4Z LEon4BV9435AKxd4CdhtNHnyyhda6b9QPtOMhfTG/5qd0f1RtAgQe56QMqr2AXHOTwA9rcowxE4O4 DYHnU10ZlLqmEk4R/Jd3Y3vPoHK4L1xkZIGdEZkS/KskzQayITzQtHokPhwnQhDBWXflL4kklyOYY 0DkF0eQwr400KQBtIVRzng==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1654 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1myCfV-0002Uz-HQ; Fri, 17 Dec 2021 07:49:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: (message from Alan Mackenzie on Fri, 17 Dec 2021 10:37:55 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:282214 Archived-At: > Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 10:37:55 +0000 > Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com, qhong@mit.edu, rms@gnu.org, eric@ericabrahamsen.net, > cesar.mena@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, luangruo@yahoo.com > From: Alan Mackenzie > > > > I feel sqlite has been added to the core, merged into master, with > > > indecent haste, and without due reflection. > > > Your feelings are wrong, and disclosing them here is unfair. You have > > no real evidence to back that up, and without that it is just an > > unfounded accusation. > > Normally, potential new features spend more than just a few days on a > git branch, allowing people the chance to try them out and spot any > problems. That didn't happen with this new sqlite feature. This sounds like a complaint against Lars working too fast and too hard. I'm quite sure we should be grateful instead. If, for some personal reason, you were unable to track the discussions when they happen, that's not a problem, because you can always voice your opinions later. That doesn't give any basis for castigating us for not being slower. > > Frankly, I'm amazed at the bru-ha-ha this change triggered, and keep > > being amazed each day anew. Who'd know that Emacs is such a > > scandalous environment? > > This change potentially changes what Emacs _is_. No, it doesn't, far from it. It adds a niche feature which might be useful in some use cases, that's all.