From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Adding use-package to core Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 18:48:24 +0200 Message-ID: <838rkels13.fsf@gnu.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="14196"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: xenodasein@tutanota.de Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 13 17:49:00 2022 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ouGAE-0003Nv-QO for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 17:48:59 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouG9Y-0006Gk-B5; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 11:48:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouG9X-0006Gc-NZ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 11:48:15 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouG9X-00088Q-EY; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 11:48:15 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=Nkq2xm5LBXrDHY2IpKK5Ozd3LeGuX7SuWFfzSapWi5Y=; b=HNIdw44WQ82ok4itu6rV 2XSfpBZgmh68pno+9mFpL3E9+c6m7MM3V41de/yaoFcfLKqAHXftxcxb8xBjqJxnsV78wrHNm3wGS VXdgMUuQ/7Z0ywCnC8Jl6RIqI7iSJ5MPZ7xvmkTv1uDxq2ARRHxo7WGQHmdZQls6XYDEpVJ2H9i41 TtgDY6cpgPfuw72nkMcvNqvTRNF+pSX2OymkTk178pMsuK5sYuesOGQi3HiTwJ/IOILIuUstcqg9j tfjyd5Xgj66RRiys/KtKchEaXTpH2qEZ4Z/Frm7UNSeHktzsuYvAEs1GzlM++Rwr1KDSfIr6iRjge k29cTjzqUOQyOw==; Original-Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouG9W-0007Oj-UI; Sun, 13 Nov 2022 11:48:15 -0500 In-Reply-To: (xenodasein@tutanota.de) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299730 Archived-At: > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 17:11:57 +0100 (CET) > From: xenodasein@tutanota.de > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > From: Eli Zaretskii > Subject: Re: Adding use-package to core > Date: Sun, 13 Nov 2022 09:31:11 +0200 > > I don't share Stefan's fears.  If the only issue with moving > > use-package to core is that someone must step forward to take the > > responsibility for maintaining it, I think we can move it into core > > without fear.  I see no reason for making a dedicated maintainer for > > use-package a prerequisite for importing it, given what John says > > about its stability.  It's a non-issue. > > Why don't you?  This package has been very popular for a long time and > at least I haven't seen anyone complain about it not being in core. > Whatever gets included seem to freeze in time and becomes very hard to > make non-breaking changes, and their writers probably get frustrated > from that more easily and stop developing it.  There's ever more lines of > code and more packages, I don't think this direction is sustainable and > I hope you will reconsider this approach of adding everything to core > at some point. If you have read this discussion, you've seen that the package's author thinks it's best to move use-package into core, and describes the package as stable without any need for significant development. So I think your comments are based on some misunderstanding.