From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: What's missing in ELisp that makes people want to use cl-lib? Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 13:22:30 +0200 Message-ID: <838r73usg9.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87bkc4jpja.fsf@dataswamp.org> <12da6bcb-1818-7fbe-12af-8d4607724332@gutov.dev> <87il6bt4z0.fsf@yahoo.com> <8734xetjkk.fsf@yahoo.com> <87cywhsrcf.fsf@yahoo.com> <87cywgx1z0.fsf@web.de> <83wmuowwp3.fsf@gnu.org> <8334xcwank.fsf@gnu.org> <83msvjv63v.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="39308"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: dmitry@gutov.dev, gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, michael_heerdegen@web.de, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Nov 12 12:23:12 2023 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1r28Ya-000A1L-78 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 12:23:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r28YK-0004rm-7o; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 06:22:58 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r28YD-0004rU-Fa for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 06:22:49 -0500 Original-Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1r28YD-0000Id-5Q; Sun, 12 Nov 2023 06:22:49 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=YCfFLxkREyVSMXyasmmq6NpdKVaWfxOX64oEtWM5//o=; b=PKQO41Xv8d5Co8NvWIAy t39vH2uGyEaeB+waeS00yaL//RF7simtl/q73XDU4RFv/1eKIsoduSl8q2Gjbt+dy9it6uh6x90v5 F4rKkehTbDHBtboVyTiJ6h0TUim8xfcFoeqKVAyl1E5hRqulfjFJWeapXso7nc7xE0UWO/2c/H6+e vQTT6HR/p1NfF7s1p6KeVk86Q6a3LG5PdoDcHu9Yf9+DNzFK2JrDfMw1rXtq/lcYFrXr/Bhpl13+p 0ghnlMn7X+jEj38v7sx3TaeafGFCV0Jf1FG7qUsqSz3RoAVCytHxDnc1xlrxUj9WQO6DSSzZJuWtq z53h4YYP3Eu/IA==; In-Reply-To: (message from =?utf-8?B?Sm/Do28gVMOhdm9yYQ==?= on Sun, 12 Nov 2023 10:21:00 +0000) X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:312651 Archived-At: > From: João Távora > Date: Sun, 12 Nov 2023 10:21:00 +0000 > Cc: dmitry@gutov.dev, gerd.moellmann@gmail.com, michael_heerdegen@web.de, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > On Sun, Nov 12, 2023 at 6:27 AM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > > > Eli thinks this doesn't really show seq.el is slower than cl-lib.el > > > > That's not what I said. Please don't mis-quote me. I sometimes make > > mistakes of writing inaccurate statements, but not in this case. > > 1. I posted some micro-benchmarks about cl-some and seq-some. > 2. Gerd wrote "Joao showed that it's slow.". > 3. You replied, directly below "No, he didn't.". > > Now you say I misquoted you. Hope to have rectified that. > > So you _do_ think this shows seq.el is slower than cl-lib.el? I believe I explained the issue in another message. It has to do with the (significant in this case) difference between "slower" and "slow". I responded to "slow", whereas you said I disagreed with "slower".