From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.bidi,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Mixed L2R and R2L paragraphs and horizontal scroll Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:12:59 +0200 Message-ID: <837hqshl1g.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83tyu3iu6b.fsf@gnu.org> <201002011400.o11E0jMQ007420@beta.mvs.co.il> <83vdeghfqg.fsf@gnu.org> <201002012205.o11M5Sci011809@beta.mvs.co.il> <83k4uvh09o.fsf@gnu.org> <201002031310.o13DAqXd019253@beta.mvs.co.il> <83eil2gn7i.fsf@gnu.org> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: lo.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1265310833 2138 80.91.229.12 (4 Feb 2010 19:13:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 19:13:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-bidi@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org To: rms@gnu.org Original-X-From: emacs-bidi-bounces+gnu-emacs-bidi=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Feb 04 20:13:51 2010 Return-path: Envelope-to: gnu-emacs-bidi@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]) by lo.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nd79C-0001OQ-K4 for gnu-emacs-bidi@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 20:13:50 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49748 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nd79B-0005i5-Oo for gnu-emacs-bidi@m.gmane.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:13:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1Nd797-0005f9-9q for emacs-bidi@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:13:45 -0500 Original-Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=51240 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1Nd796-0005ds-Qw for emacs-bidi@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:13:44 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nd795-0001da-Is for emacs-bidi@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:13:44 -0500 Original-Received: from mtaout21.012.net.il ([80.179.55.169]:58846) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nd795-0001dN-7a; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 14:13:43 -0500 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout21.012.net.il by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0KXB00J00ZTU7900@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:13:00 +0200 (IST) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.70.67.249]) by a-mtaout21.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0KXC00EE501NBDA0@a-mtaout21.012.net.il>; Thu, 04 Feb 2010 21:13:00 +0200 (IST) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-BeenThere: emacs-bidi@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: "Discussion of Emacs support for multi-directional text." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: emacs-bidi-bounces+gnu-emacs-bidi=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Errors-To: emacs-bidi-bounces+gnu-emacs-bidi=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.bidi:518 gmane.emacs.devel:120914 Archived-At: > From: Richard Stallman > CC: ehud@unix.mvs.co.il, emacs-bidi@gnu.org, emacs-devel@gnu.org > Date: Thu, 04 Feb 2010 06:01:38 -0500 > > > What you describe here is the Emacs screen as rectangle frame moving > > over the visual ordered text. > > For truncation and continuation, yes. For horizontal scrolling, no: > it works in the logical order. That is, scroll-left moves text in > each line towards its respective margin: left margin for L2R lines, > right margin for R2L. More about this near the end of this message. > > Please don't do that. It is counterintuitive, and contradicts the > idea of scrolling left and right. ??? What are the alternatives? The only one that was raised is the ``rigid scrolling'', but even there we need to do something sensible for the nil value of ``line length''. What are your practical suggestions?