From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Eli Zaretskii Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:50:08 +0300 Message-ID: <837ge8jalb.fsf@gnu.org> References: <523ED74D.4030205@online.de> <87ioxs4zc9.fsf@informatimago.com> <87k3i8vj93.fsf@yandex.ru> <83bo3kk6hh.fsf@gnu.org> <87eh8gzee5.fsf@yandex.ru> <871u4go1bp.fsf@gmail.com> Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1379919032 597 80.91.229.3 (23 Sep 2013 06:50:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 06:50:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: jay.p.belanger@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org, pjb@informatimago.com, dgutov@yandex.ru To: Lennart Borgman Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 23 08:50:34 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VNzyb-0007hu-R8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 08:50:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37856 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNzyb-0004y7-Ck for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 02:50:33 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53095) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNzyS-0004xh-Lm for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 02:50:29 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNzyN-0003gx-Lx for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 02:50:24 -0400 Original-Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]:39663) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNzyN-0003gf-DU for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 02:50:19 -0400 Original-Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0MTK00800GA5PK00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:49:58 +0300 (IDT) Original-Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([87.69.4.28]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0MTK008L3GB9CUA0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 09:49:57 +0300 (IDT) In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 X-Received-From: 80.179.55.172 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163565 Archived-At: > From: Lennart Borgman > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 02:18:44 +0200 > Cc: Dmitry Gutov , Pascal Bourguignon , > Eli Zaretskii , Emacs-Devel devel > > The tutorial kind of throws other keybindings than the arrow keys on the > new user. When did you last read the tutorial? I posted a few excerpts from it just now, which show that the tutorial does the exact opposite of what you say.